Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can you escape it? The LSAT is a basically an IQ test on steroids. Your law school's LSAT median and 25th and 75th percentiles are a good proxy for your own intelligence.

Here are some figures from before the LSAC did away with Logic Games:

https://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/

Undergrad, you basically need a gazillion hooks to get into a good college. But, law school, you have no excuse.

I honestly don't know what to think about those who graduated at the top of their class at low-ranked schools. So you beat up a bunch of kindergarteners?

The LSAT did away with logic games? Why? Is the MCAT also an
“iQ test”? It has the CARS section. Why is the point spread on the LSAT so much larger than the MCAT? You’re looking at 145-175 versus 500-520, more or less.

Unfair to those with a specific disability -- blindness. Figuring those puzzles out is highly visual. I scored very highly on the lsat and I had to draw pictures to do the logic puzzles.

Ditto. I almost cried when I saw that the "extra" section was ... another logic section. I did very well, I just hated them! On the other hand, I do sometime encounter issues for which visual diagramming is helpful, so I guess I learned something.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can you escape it? The LSAT is a basically an IQ test on steroids. Your law school's LSAT median and 25th and 75th percentiles are a good proxy for your own intelligence.

Here are some figures from before the LSAC did away with Logic Games:

https://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/

Undergrad, you basically need a gazillion hooks to get into a good college. But, law school, you have no excuse.

I honestly don't know what to think about those who graduated at the top of their class at low-ranked schools. So you beat up a bunch of kindergarteners?

The LSAT did away with logic games? Why? Is the MCAT also an
“iQ test”? It has the CARS section. Why is the point spread on the LSAT so much larger than the MCAT? You’re looking at 145-175 versus 500-520, more or less.

Unfair to those with a specific disability -- blindness. Figuring those puzzles out is highly visual. I scored very highly on the lsat and I had to draw pictures to do the logic puzzles.

Anonymous wrote:How can you escape it? The LSAT is a basically an IQ test on steroids. Your law school's LSAT median and 25th and 75th percentiles are a good proxy for your own intelligence.

Here are some figures from before the LSAC did away with Logic Games:

https://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/

Undergrad, you basically need a gazillion hooks to get into a good college. But, law school, you have no excuse.

I honestly don't know what to think about those who graduated at the top of their class at low-ranked schools. So you beat up a bunch of kindergarteners?

It really isn't. It tests how good you are at thinking like a lawyer. Plenty of brilliant people out there who aren't as highly analytical as those of us who scored well on the lsat. I scored 99th percentile on the lsat, and I'm downright challenged, lol. I'm a good lawyer, though.

Anonymous wrote:People paying for their own law school tuition who don't want to pay 125K a year will take a scholarship at a lesser school. Borrowing all that money obligates you to try and do big law, which isn't for everyone. The prize of the brass ring not infrequently loses its shine once you get there.

That’s why I said in a previous post that good state schools can also reliably churn out excellent lawyers. But needs to be the top state school in your state, and you need to graduate absolutely top of your class. Being top twenty percent in a mid private law school is not going to be a top lawyer.

People paying for their own law school tuition who don't want to pay 125K a year will take a scholarship at a lesser school. Borrowing all that money obligates you to try and do big law, which isn't for everyone. The prize of the brass ring not infrequently loses its shine once you get there.

Anonymous wrote:How can you escape it? The LSAT is a basically an IQ test on steroids. Your law school's LSAT median and 25th and 75th percentiles are a good proxy for your own intelligence.

Here are some figures from before the LSAC did away with Logic Games:

https://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/

Undergrad, you basically need a gazillion hooks to get into a good college. But, law school, you have no excuse.

I honestly don't know what to think about those who graduated at the top of their class at low-ranked schools. So you beat up a bunch of kindergarteners?

I agree law school is a pretty good barometer for the rest of your career on your competency for legal work.

I went to a well ranked school and graduated in top ten percent, did dc biglaw at a good firm and was surrounded by peers who were for the most part objectively and obviously very bright competent people. For a few years I worked out of our Miami office where all the associates were recruited as top of their class from Uni of Miami. The differences between those associates and the dc associates (from better law schools) was very very obvious.

I do think state schools are an exception to this, because stellar people may go to state schools for a variety of good reasons. So the top ten percent of students at good state schools are usually very sharp. Eg top of your class at UF is no different than top of your class at Georgetown when it comes to working competence in a demanding job. But the bottom 90 percent at a place like UF is way below the quality of the bottom 90 percent at a place like Georgetown.

In short, I think there’s a reason schools continue to matter for good jobs. Of course being a star rainmaker can override all this.

Anonymous wrote:How can you escape it? The LSAT is a basically an IQ test on steroids. Your law school's LSAT median and 25th and 75th percentiles are a good proxy for your own intelligence.

Here are some figures from before the LSAC did away with Logic Games:

https://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/

Undergrad, you basically need a gazillion hooks to get into a good college. But, law school, you have no excuse.

I honestly don't know what to think about those who graduated at the top of their class at low-ranked schools. So you beat up a bunch of kindergarteners?

The LSAT did away with logic games? Why? Is the MCAT also an
“iQ test”? It has the CARS section. Why is the point spread on the LSAT so much larger than the MCAT? You’re looking at 145-175 versus 500-520, more or less.

How can you escape it? The LSAT is a basically an IQ test on steroids. Your law school's LSAT median and 25th and 75th percentiles are a good proxy for your own intelligence.

Here are some figures from before the LSAC did away with Logic Games:

https://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/

Undergrad, you basically need a gazillion hooks to get into a good college. But, law school, you have no excuse.

I honestly don't know what to think about those who graduated at the top of their class at low-ranked schools. So you beat up a bunch of kindergarteners?

Anonymous wrote:Can someone list the top schools. The T14 or 30 or whatever it is ….

Anytime you want rankings just google USNWR...https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings

And to answer OP's question..." It depends". If the city is desirable...law competition is brutal. So yes, your law school will pretty much always matter. Fancy firms like for their firm's bios to look elite and the same goes for their Martindale Hubble ( legal directory) entries.

But, I went to law school in Cleveland where some top firms such as Jones Day, and Squire, etc. Are HQ'd. I went to a lower tiered law school, was Editor-in-Chief of the Law Review, + had previously worked on the Hill for the US Senate Judiciary Committee ( no one else in Cleveland had that experience; whereas, it is common in DC). I had a great career and am retired now. I have a young friend in Pittsburgh who has a similar story. Moral of the story...go to a crappy city to land a job in Big Law if you graduated from anything below T14.