My kid's school (not UVA) was downgraded based on hearsay. This is not exactly reputable?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA is supposed to be inclusive and tolerant, but that does not apply to Jewish students, apparently:

https://www.29news.com/2024/04/11/uva-gets-an-f-campus-antisemitism-report-card/

Did the tiki torch march resulting in a death and Trump’s " fine people on both sides" remark happen at UVA?

Remind me again. Why did the Proud Boys and the like go there?

Because they were taking down Confederate statues. Charlottesville didn't march on itself. Hate groups marched on them.

They went there because one of the Proud Boys leaders at the time graduated from UVA.

Jason Kessler is a white nationalist and neo-Nazi who is known for organizing the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017. He has a connection to the University of Virginia (UVA) as he is a university graduate.
Here's a summary of Jason Kessler's connection with UVA:
Graduation: Jason Kessler graduated from the University of Virginia with a Bachelor of Arts in psychology in 2009.
Controversial Conduct and Ban: Following the Unite the Right rally and its related events, Kessler has been banned from UVA grounds due to multiple reports of him threatening and harassing students. This ban was issued in 2018 and renewed in 2022 due to ongoing concerns about his conduct and its impact on the university community.
Prior Disturbances: Before the ban, Kessler had disrupted the UVA Law Library by making racist and sexist remarks, which prompted the university to issue a no-trespass warning.
Legal Cases: Kessler has been involved in legal cases stemming from the Unite the Right rally, including a lawsuit filed by nine Charlottesville residents, and has been ordered to pay damages for violence during the rally.

Don't forget that the CEO of the ADL officially, on behalf of ADL supports Elon Musk's Nazi agitation.

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Anonymous wrote:And this response from UVA is spot on:

“Roughly 45% of schools received a D or F grade. It appears initially that the ADL negatively graded many institutions for acts of constitutionally-protected speech, protest, or student-led referenda. The University of Virginia was founded on the principles of free expression and student self-governance, and we will continue to honor those values, even as we continue to fully condemn antisemitism and all forms of bigotry and to support members of our community in this challenging time. We can certainly always improve, but we strongly disagree with the subjective conclusions presented in this scorecard.”

Of course they disagree. Did you expect a different response??

And of course the ADL gave it a failing grade. Did you expect a different outcome?

Look, the criteria used for evaluation wasn’t valid. It isn’t like the rating is credible.

Anonymous wrote:The ADL has zero credibiliity. It is a pro-Israel lobby devoted to repression of free speech and thought in America. I don't understand how any Jewish person thinks this is good for Jews.

+1. So over Isreal deciding what American kids can and cannot PEACEFULLY protest on campus, or learn in a classroom,or discuss in a class. Yelling “Antisemitism” any time you disagree with someone else s point of view is the new “boy that cried wolf”.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this response from UVA is spot on:

“Roughly 45% of schools received a D or F grade. It appears initially that the ADL negatively graded many institutions for acts of constitutionally-protected speech, protest, or student-led referenda. The University of Virginia was founded on the principles of free expression and student self-governance, and we will continue to honor those values, even as we continue to fully condemn antisemitism and all forms of bigotry and to support members of our community in this challenging time. We can certainly always improve, but we strongly disagree with the subjective conclusions presented in this scorecard.”

Yup. I’m Jewish and have not viewed the ADL as a credible organization for a long time.

PP can you say more about this? Several DMV schools have done the ADL's No Place for Hate program in recent years. Should schools be thinking twice about signing up for this?

NP. It's complicated. The ADL and SPLC both remain very good resources on white supremacist groups/symbols, and I've never heard anything about No Place for Hate that would make me concerned.

On the other hand, ADL takes such an expansionist view of antisemitism as to almost strip the word of meaning, and also constantly obfuscates the legitimate difference between antisemitism and anti-government-of-Israel's-actions.

Moreover, their leadership has been cheering the detention of legal US residents who have been involved in pro-Palestinian advocacy. Not riots, not protests, just noting that Palestinians are human beings who are suffering. So, they are aligning themselves with folks like Stephen Miller for short-term "gain" but also throwing away some of the most important tenets of Judaism to do it. Moreover, I truly worry that collaborating with fascists is going to backfire on the ADL and on the Jewish American community more generally.

I'm the PP you responded to. Thanks for this explanation.

I find it fascinating that non-Jews (and likely people who have zero interaction with Jews) are more concerned about this than actual Jews.

I am Jewish. Most Jews I know think Trump should just stfu. By allegedly trying to help Jews he is just making things worse. I don’t need his help.

Trump and Fox completely control the narrative and all of their ignorant followers just repeat it and have lost all ability to critically think for themselves. They are worshipping a false God. I learned in Hebrew school that this is violating a commandment. I wish all of their phony pious evangelists would snap out of it and realize the same thing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this response from UVA is spot on:

“Roughly 45% of schools received a D or F grade. It appears initially that the ADL negatively graded many institutions for acts of constitutionally-protected speech, protest, or student-led referenda. The University of Virginia was founded on the principles of free expression and student self-governance, and we will continue to honor those values, even as we continue to fully condemn antisemitism and all forms of bigotry and to support members of our community in this challenging time. We can certainly always improve, but we strongly disagree with the subjective conclusions presented in this scorecard.”

Yup. I’m Jewish and have not viewed the ADL as a credible organization for a long time.

PP can you say more about this? Several DMV schools have done the ADL's No Place for Hate program in recent years. Should schools be thinking twice about signing up for this?

NP. It's complicated. The ADL and SPLC both remain very good resources on white supremacist groups/symbols, and I've never heard anything about No Place for Hate that would make me concerned.

On the other hand, ADL takes such an expansionist view of antisemitism as to almost strip the word of meaning, and also constantly obfuscates the legitimate difference between antisemitism and anti-government-of-Israel's-actions.

Moreover, their leadership has been cheering the detention of legal US residents who have been involved in pro-Palestinian advocacy. Not riots, not protests, just noting that Palestinians are human beings who are suffering. So, they are aligning themselves with folks like Stephen Miller for short-term "gain" but also throwing away some of the most important tenets of Judaism to do it. Moreover, I truly worry that collaborating with fascists is going to backfire on the ADL and on the Jewish American community more generally.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA is supposed to be inclusive and tolerant, but that does not apply to Jewish students, apparently:

https://www.29news.com/2024/04/11/uva-gets-an-f-campus-antisemitism-report-card/

Did the tiki torch march resulting in a death and Trump’s " fine people on both sides" remark happen at UVA?

Remind me again. Why did the Proud Boys and the like go there?

Because they were taking down Confederate statues. Charlottesville didn't march on itself. Hate groups marched on them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this response from UVA is spot on:

“Roughly 45% of schools received a D or F grade. It appears initially that the ADL negatively graded many institutions for acts of constitutionally-protected speech, protest, or student-led referenda. The University of Virginia was founded on the principles of free expression and student self-governance, and we will continue to honor those values, even as we continue to fully condemn antisemitism and all forms of bigotry and to support members of our community in this challenging time. We can certainly always improve, but we strongly disagree with the subjective conclusions presented in this scorecard.”

Yup. I’m Jewish and have not viewed the ADL as a credible organization for a long time.

Agree. ADL is no longer a trustworthy organization.

ADL is more about promoting the actions of the State of Israel by any available means. Saying anything contrary to this mission is "defamation".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this response from UVA is spot on:

“Roughly 45% of schools received a D or F grade. It appears initially that the ADL negatively graded many institutions for acts of constitutionally-protected speech, protest, or student-led referenda. The University of Virginia was founded on the principles of free expression and student self-governance, and we will continue to honor those values, even as we continue to fully condemn antisemitism and all forms of bigotry and to support members of our community in this challenging time. We can certainly always improve, but we strongly disagree with the subjective conclusions presented in this scorecard.”

Yup. I’m Jewish and have not viewed the ADL as a credible organization for a long time.

PP can you say more about this? Several DMV schools have done the ADL's No Place for Hate program in recent years. Should schools be thinking twice about signing up for this?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA is supposed to be inclusive and tolerant, but that does not apply to Jewish students, apparently:

https://www.29news.com/2024/04/11/uva-gets-an-f-campus-antisemitism-report-card/

Did the tiki torch march resulting in a death and Trump’s " fine people on both sides" remark happen at UVA?

Yep. Most people who are life long Virginians know UVA doesn't have a reputation for tolerance.

The ADL has zero credibiliity. It is a pro-Israel lobby devoted to repression of free speech and thought in America. I don't understand how any Jewish person thinks this is good for Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid’s Ivy does not have any of that. They had minimal protests that were shut down immediately. He has a Jewish roommate who is very happy.

The South is the most anti-Semitic (and racist for other races, non-Christian religions) yet the admin has you believe it’s a NE elite issue.

+1 its a house of mirrors as maga controls the narrative

This article is from April, 2024. Well before Trump.