Anonymous wrote:I think maybe we say each family needs to volunteer for at least 3 things during the season but we’ve been in it so long that I don’t know what the official rules are any more and I don’t think anyone is really counting. Usually we can fill all the jobs with a bit of scrambling/begging for timers. The families who volunteer a lot get acknowledged at the banquet and get to go first in the food line which is a pretty big incentive.

Most parents on our team work, including pretty much all the “super volunteers” and team reps.

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Anonymous wrote:Tanterra does this. I think it’s around 17 points per family. Feels unfair to families where both parents are working during the summer.

Parents need to choose activities that work for them, or find solutions.

Summer swim worked for my family when other activities that cost more because they don’t rely on volunteers didn’t. I didn’t go to those activities and complain that they were unfair to my middle class family. I recognized that they weren’t for us.

It’s ok to say that summer swim isn’t for you. It’s also ok to problem solve. My teens are happy to work set up, take down, picking up things for you, for a price. Hire a babysitter and work a meet your kids aren’t in. Or arrange your schedule to watch your kids and work at the meets they do swim in.

Anonymous wrote:Tanterra does this. I think it’s around 17 points per family. Feels unfair to families where both parents are working during the summer.

Anonymous wrote:Tanterra does this. I think it’s around 17 points per family. Feels unfair to families where both parents are working during the summer.

Anonymous wrote:The concessions price gouging is another story

Anonymous wrote:Wow our summer swim has no requirements for volunteering or points or money paid. We just all get together as parents and step up and make it work.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Our NVSL pool maps out all the job shifts required to make the season work (e.g., A meet timer, B meet timer, pep rally dinner helper, etc.). Each shift is assigned a point value based on the time commitment. The total number of season volunteer points is then divided by the number of families on the team to determine how many points each family needs to fill. NVSL summer swim is unique in that it’s 100 percent volunteer-run (except for coaches). So, if you join the team, you’re agreeing to help execute the season. Our system is designed distribute the workload as equally as possible among participating families.

NVSL is unique? Which summer league do you think isn’t run by volunteers?

We’re in CSL, and the requirement is 10 hours per family. So, for example, timing 3.5 meets, would fulfill the requirement.

My point is that summer swim is unique. Many other sports are typically run by an entity that manages the team. Summer swim (NVSL, csl, etc) is run by the participants. Didn’t mean to set you off, sorry.

Our manhattan fall soccer and spring baseball leagues were volunteer run as well. Including officiating. It’s not as unusual as you think.

Sure, but you don’t need 18 refs at a baseball game.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Our NVSL pool maps out all the job shifts required to make the season work (e.g., A meet timer, B meet timer, pep rally dinner helper, etc.). Each shift is assigned a point value based on the time commitment. The total number of season volunteer points is then divided by the number of families on the team to determine how many points each family needs to fill. NVSL summer swim is unique in that it’s 100 percent volunteer-run (except for coaches). So, if you join the team, you’re agreeing to help execute the season. Our system is designed distribute the workload as equally as possible among participating families.

NVSL is unique? Which summer league do you think isn’t run by volunteers?

We’re in CSL, and the requirement is 10 hours per family. So, for example, timing 3.5 meets, would fulfill the requirement.

My point is that summer swim is unique. Many other sports are typically run by an entity that manages the team. Summer swim (NVSL, csl, etc) is run by the participants. Didn’t mean to set you off, sorry.

Our manhattan fall soccer and spring baseball leagues were volunteer run as well. Including officiating. It’s not as unusual as you think.

Sure, but you don’t need 18 refs at a baseball game.

Anonymous wrote:6 points per family. Some jobs reserved for new families. Timing and officiating is 1 point at A and B meets. Certain non-meet related jobs are multiple points like banquet organizer or donut delivery person

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing- if you know signing your child up for an activity requires you to volunteer, don’t sign up your kid if you can’t volunteer. Stop throwing your parenting responsibilities on other parents. Hire a sitter to do your volunteer activities or readjust your priorities. It’s really not that hard.

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Anonymous wrote:Our is something like 15 hours for a family with 2+ kids, but you can earn hours (in very small increments) for things like bringing ice. There are also some season-long jobs that count as a full complement of volunteer hours for the season, like being the ribbons person or planning one of the social events. We don't find it hard to meet the hours if one parent finds something to do at a meet each week (timing, data table, concessions, etc.), but it seems like they're always pleading for more timers, marshalls, etc. so I think something is off in the overall calculus of how many hours are required per family (or there are people not doing them and not feeling guilty about it). I have no idea what the consequences are for not doing your hours; I think we've always gone a bit over due to picking up some of these unfilled positions along the way.

Oh, and there isn't a buyout - the issue is bodies, not dollars.