Anonymous wrote:Spin-off from a deleted part of another thread where it was off-topic...

I completely understand the appeal of secular Christmas for cultural Christians (for lack of a better phrase). It's fun and the decorations are pretty and there is a lot of family tradition that can still be passed down without all the religious components for those who have left Christianity. Truly, I'm happy for everyone who finds meaning in this iteration of Christmas.

What I don't understand is the insistence that the rest of us should celebrate it too. I understand that it's secular for you. I understand that you don't understand why the rest of us still call it a Christian holiday when you've divorced so much of the religion from it. But still, why do you insist that we all understand it the way you do and push and push people to celebrate secular Christmas (and I don't mean inviting us to your Christmas party, but really pushing us to teach our kids about Santa and decorate our own houses, because it will be fun and, really, it's not about Jesus)? I don't care that it's fun or that it's not about Jesus; it's just not my holiday, and I have plenty of my own holidays. You can just have Christmas to yourself. I'll wish you a Merry Christmas on December 25 and everything.

Anonymous wrote:Wait, eight presents for Hanukkah?!?

You're doing it wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Secular Christmas here is vulgar. It has been commercialized for economic purposes - gift giving is relentlessly pushed on us by media.
And all those Xmas cards with the family's children pictured on them... this started happening around the 90's? Because it wasn't a thing when I was growing up. At best a card with a mass printed update on how the family was doing. I'm not Christian but when did Christmas become a pageantry about the self, when did it co-opt the holy family? Next thing you know nativity figurines which can be customized to the family's likeness will be on the market.

You aren’t a Christian, but think Joesph, Mary, and Baby Jesus are the “Holy Family?”

How does a non-Christian believe that Joesph, Mary, and Jesus are holy?

I’m not PP but Muslims think this.

Anonymous wrote:I think op has experienced some Christmas related trauma and needs to speak to a professional.

I know some people use that as a backhanded insult disguised as concern, but I truly mean what I say in care.

Op has some pretty wild ideas about Christmas that are interfering with her life. Those same ideas are being thought and people. Maybe family, strangers?

It’s ok, op. Life is hard sometimes.

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Anonymous wrote:Secular Christmas here is vulgar. It has been commercialized for economic purposes - gift giving is relentlessly pushed on us by media.
And all those Xmas cards with the family's children pictured on them... this started happening around the 90's? Because it wasn't a thing when I was growing up. At best a card with a mass printed update on how the family was doing. I'm not Christian but when did Christmas become a pageantry about the self, when did it co-opt the holy family? Next thing you know nativity figurines which can be customized to the family's likeness will be on the market.

You aren’t a Christian, but think Joesph, Mary, and Baby Jesus are the “Holy Family?”

How does a non-Christian believe that Joesph, Mary, and Jesus are holy?

Anonymous wrote:Not sure who your target audience is. I've literally never met anyone like this, with the "insisting".

Anonymous wrote:As a Christian who doesn't do Santa with my kids (but yes, we told them not to tell the other kids), I would never ever force Santa on another family. That's...absurd.