Anonymous wrote:We’d all like free healthcare. Oh well. I don’t buy the argument that all these people will end up in the ER. Some of the care is likely unnecessary and they just get it because it’s free.

If you want to talk affordable healthcare for ALL, not tied to employment, then we can talk about a sliding scale where some don’t pay.

Please explain what you mean by unnecessary care. Medicaid and insurance do not pay for unnecessary care. Are you talking about going to urgent care because you have a sore throat that will likely go away on its own in a few days and for which there is no medical treatment because it's a virus? Possibly some of that but as a population the poor are much more likely to have chronic disease and have the hardest time accessing quality care on a consistent basis.
It's also the case that many people are pretty medically illiterate, and I suspect they are less likely to pursue care for a symptom that maybe comes and goes that a middle or upper middle class person would be concerned about and also self-advocate if they didn't get a satisfactory answer. (Thinking of a single mom I knew, husband was in a nursing home because of a devastating work accident that left him with severe TBI, she had 6 kids, she had back pain doctors blew off which after a couple of years during out to be advanced cervical cancer. )

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Anonymous wrote:OP:

160 million federal tax payers would stop having to pay and subsidize the health care of nearly 11 million Americans.

Why should they?

Who pays the bill when an uninsured person shows up in the ER?

The wealthy, since half the country doesn't pay income tax

These days under Trump, the wealthy are the least likely to be paying taxes. Cutting health insurance just forces expensive medical care through the ER. Trump is pushing this country backwards by decades…

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Anonymous wrote:We pay thus in terms of hospitals raising prices because they still will treat them (and likely more with far more expensive care now that these folks won't get primary medical care) but not get reimbursed.

But if we pay higher prices to healthcare orgs, I guess that makes people happy?

Yup crowd the ERs with people who lack health insurance and could have been treated much cheaply with appropriate regular care

100%

Uninsured sick people don't go to a PCP or even Urgent Care - they go to the ER. Because they know that they can't be turned away at the ER if they have no money.

And then what happens? Small, easy things that PCPs could have found and fixed grow into larger, more expensive problems.

Don't care.

That’s because you have the intelligence of a mole rat, and people making rational arguments are beyond your abilities. As a taxpayer I care about MAGA destroying health care for 10 million people.

Maybe those people will finally wake up and vote for universal healthcare for all.

Maybe. Otherwise they will lose most medical services in their area because very few people will be able to afford them.

Poetic. These places overwhelmingly voted for the people now doing this to them.

Anonymous wrote:Not believing this for a second. More fear mongering.
If these people include those who are able-bodied individuals and have been benefiting from free health insurance, they need to get off their duffs and get a job, volunteer, or do something productive.

And, as for the illegal aliens - they need to be deported to seek health care in their home countries.

It also includes people like my sister (57 years old) who is severely developmentally disabled and lives with my 80 year old parents. Until now she has thankfully received Medicaid, which she will lose if this bill passes. You are a heartless a$$hole if you think this only affects able-bodied individuals and "illegal aliens". So believe it. It is NOT fear mongering.

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Anonymous wrote:We pay thus in terms of hospitals raising prices because they still will treat them (and likely more with far more expensive care now that these folks won't get primary medical care) but not get reimbursed.

But if we pay higher prices to healthcare orgs, I guess that makes people happy?

Yup crowd the ERs with people who lack health insurance and could have been treated much cheaply with appropriate regular care

100%

Uninsured sick people don't go to a PCP or even Urgent Care - they go to the ER. Because they know that they can't be turned away at the ER if they have no money.

And then what happens? Small, easy things that PCPs could have found and fixed grow into larger, more expensive problems.

Don't care.

That’s because you have the intelligence of a mole rat, and people making rational arguments are beyond your abilities. As a taxpayer I care about MAGA destroying health care for 10 million people.

Maybe those people will finally wake up and vote for universal healthcare for all.

Maybe. Otherwise they will lose most medical services in their area because very few people will be able to afford them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We pay thus in terms of hospitals raising prices because they still will treat them (and likely more with far more expensive care now that these folks won't get primary medical care) but not get reimbursed.

But if we pay higher prices to healthcare orgs, I guess that makes people happy?

Yup crowd the ERs with people who lack health insurance and could have been treated much cheaply with appropriate regular care

100%

Uninsured sick people don't go to a PCP or even Urgent Care - they go to the ER. Because they know that they can't be turned away at the ER if they have no money.

And then what happens? Small, easy things that PCPs could have found and fixed grow into larger, more expensive problems.

Don't care.

That’s because you have the intelligence of a mole rat, and people making rational arguments are beyond your abilities. As a taxpayer I care about MAGA destroying health care for 10 million people.

Maybe those people will finally wake up and vote for universal healthcare for all.

We need to emulate whatever Israel is doing because even though they are also in a perpetual state of warfare, they get free universal health care an amazing benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:OP:

160 million federal tax payers would stop having to pay and subsidize the health care of nearly 11 million Americans.

Why should they?

Who pays the bill when an uninsured person shows up in the ER?

The wealthy, since half the country doesn't pay income tax

? the ER doesn't get paid for by taxpayers. The cost is passed on to people with insurance.

Fedgov pays 2/3rds of it all.

https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/sources-of-payment-for-uncompensated-care-for-the-uninsured/

Universal healthcare would be cheaper.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP:

160 million federal tax payers would stop having to pay and subsidize the health care of nearly 11 million Americans.

Why should they?

Who pays the bill when an uninsured person shows up in the ER?

The wealthy, since half the country doesn't pay income tax

? the ER doesn't get paid for by taxpayers. The cost is passed on to people with insurance.

Fedgov pays 2/3rds of it all.

https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/sources-of-payment-for-uncompensated-care-for-the-uninsured/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP:

160 million federal tax payers would stop having to pay and subsidize the health care of nearly 11 million Americans.

Why should they?

Who pays the bill when an uninsured person shows up in the ER?

The wealthy, since half the country doesn't pay income tax

? the ER doesn't get paid for by taxpayers. The cost is passed on to people with insurance.

Who cares? We pay one way or another. The worse it gets for the masses, the more likely it will be actually reformed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP:

160 million federal tax payers would stop having to pay and subsidize the health care of nearly 11 million Americans.

Why should they?

Who pays the bill when an uninsured person shows up in the ER?

The wealthy, since half the country doesn't pay income tax

? the ER doesn't get paid for by taxpayers. The cost is passed on to people with insurance.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP:

160 million federal tax payers would stop having to pay and subsidize the health care of nearly 11 million Americans.

Why should they?

Who pays the bill when an uninsured person shows up in the ER?

The wealthy, since half the country doesn't pay income tax

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We pay thus in terms of hospitals raising prices because they still will treat them (and likely more with far more expensive care now that these folks won't get primary medical care) but not get reimbursed.

But if we pay higher prices to healthcare orgs, I guess that makes people happy?

Yup crowd the ERs with people who lack health insurance and could have been treated much cheaply with appropriate regular care

100%

Uninsured sick people don't go to a PCP or even Urgent Care - they go to the ER. Because they know that they can't be turned away at the ER if they have no money.

And then what happens? Small, easy things that PCPs could have found and fixed grow into larger, more expensive problems.

Don't care.

That’s because you have the intelligence of a mole rat, and people making rational arguments are beyond your abilities. As a taxpayer I care about MAGA destroying health care for 10 million people.

Maybe those people will finally wake up and vote for universal healthcare for all.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We pay thus in terms of hospitals raising prices because they still will treat them (and likely more with far more expensive care now that these folks won't get primary medical care) but not get reimbursed.

But if we pay higher prices to healthcare orgs, I guess that makes people happy?

Yup crowd the ERs with people who lack health insurance and could have been treated much cheaply with appropriate regular care

100%

Uninsured sick people don't go to a PCP or even Urgent Care - they go to the ER. Because they know that they can't be turned away at the ER if they have no money.

And then what happens? Small, easy things that PCPs could have found and fixed grow into larger, more expensive problems.

Don't care.

That’s because you have the intelligence of a mole rat, and people making rational arguments are beyond your abilities. As a taxpayer I care about MAGA destroying health care for 10 million people.

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Anonymous wrote:My Obamacare rate is $1500 per month and I have the cheapest Obama care plan in my state. I get no subsidy as I gross over $49,000 a year in my state.

I don’t understand why tax paying US citizens can access the cheaper rates and cheaper healthcare.

I think the discounts should go to those employed and those that are working and trying.

Just FYI, the American Rescue Plan and Inflation Reduction Act eliminated the income limit. Instead, you can get a subsidy if the cost of the second lowest cost Silver plan is more than 8.5% of your adjusted gross income. So you probably have been eligible for a subsidy for the last few years.

DP. This really isn’t something people should have to figure out to get healthcare.

Repeal and replace, with universal healthcare and watch the cost of care drop.

This.
There are a lot of entrenched interests in the current system, but it’s expensive and inefficient and ineffective. We spend more and have worse outcomes.

Yep. Burn.It.Down.

Yep why not play with the lives of 10 million Americans while we do that. /S

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My Obamacare rate is $1500 per month and I have the cheapest Obama care plan in my state. I get no subsidy as I gross over $49,000 a year in my state.

I don’t understand why tax paying US citizens can access the cheaper rates and cheaper healthcare.

I think the discounts should go to those employed and those that are working and trying.

Just FYI, the American Rescue Plan and Inflation Reduction Act eliminated the income limit. Instead, you can get a subsidy if the cost of the second lowest cost Silver plan is more than 8.5% of your adjusted gross income. So you probably have been eligible for a subsidy for the last few years.

DP. This really isn’t something people should have to figure out to get healthcare.

Repeal and replace, with universal healthcare and watch the cost of care drop.

This.
There are a lot of entrenched interests in the current system, but it’s expensive and inefficient and ineffective. We spend more and have worse outcomes.

Yep. Burn.It.Down.