Naturally beautiful is the bomb! Of course not all people can pull this off.

no.

prefer the naturally waifish, curly/wavy/frizzy blonde with blue/green eyes, multi-generational nescac alumna whose idea of exercise is walking.

you can't trust the dolled up ones in 2025 to age well.

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Anonymous wrote:We live in an affluent neighborhood with many different types of rich wives. There are physician wives who look average. There are lawyer wives who look average and frumpy, look sharp and well put together and former lawyers who married partners. There are women who are very fit who were former college athletes. There are second wives who are like OP’s description who think we are jealous of them, but not.

I don’t think these types of women are the types men want to marry and have children with.

The second wife in our neighborhood was a D1 swimmer and a model. I'm not jealous of her, but I do think she's gorgeous. The MAGA-looking women in our neighborhood have also found men to marry them and have children with them, and they are generally friendly neighbors—no need to stereotype or judge people who look different than you or your spouse.

Yeah, that was weird stereotyping.

Lawyer who is a former model here who married a partner. If anyone is jealous of me, I'm unaware. I'm not jealous of anyone. Just out here living my best life.

Anonymous wrote:Meaning that she gets lash extensions, dyes or bleached her hair, wears pushup bras, works out, May wear colored contact lenses, and bleaches her smile and may have had plastic surgery? Does it matter or no? I ask because women in this forum especially be extra critical of all those things.

I think there are different levels of dolled up. I am sure a lot of people would consider me dolled up. I wear nicer tailored clothes, typically dresses, skirts or nicer pants. Heels, do my hair everyday. I do wear an underwire bra sometimes push up. I have large boobs, can’t hide them. Tasteful amount jewelry and makeup. Compared to my coworkers I am dolled up, compared to other I probably am not.

As always, there is no one thing that “men” like. There is a lid for every pot. So do what you like and the men who like it will find you.

I’ve always liked girly girls, pretty clothes, makeup, shoes, stockings, perfume, all of it.
The ones I knew had an aesthetic/visual intelligence that I just found really sexy, it was something I just didn’t understand but I respected their abilities and the power they were able to derive from it.
I dated three women that could fall into the girly category and they all very quickly realized what I liked and they played to it and that made me feel good.
Effort and attention to detail are just as sexy as humor, integrity and intelligence so all things being equal I’d pick a glamour girl anytime.

Anonymous wrote:Meaning that she gets lash extensions, dyes or bleached her hair, wears pushup bras, works out, May wear colored contact lenses, and bleaches her smile and may have had plastic surgery? Does it matter or no? I ask because women in this forum especially be extra critical of all those things.

This is dumb. Lash extensions? They vary from the obvious muppet look to barely noticeable. Dying or bleaching your hair? Same--when you're bleaching from black/dark brown to platinum, kinda obvious. If you're highlighting or covering grey, a lot less so. Bleached teeth? Ditto. Huge difference between lightening the coffee/tea stains and getting white Chiclet veneers. I think you get the point, no need to go through all the plastic surgery too.

I used to be very natural and now I doll myself up: I get regular mani-pedis, get my brows and lip threaded every two weeks, and do like getting lashes (but don’t consistently). I wear push up bras bc I have DDs and a short waist - these accentuate my waist. I don’t bleach my hair or my teeth. I workout 3-4 times a week.

I think a function of this is getting older - I’m 39 - and you have to do more to maintain a baseline of attractiveness (cue the 40-somethings who say they look stunning no matter what). This is true for both genders!

I don’t understand what people want from women. And I guess that’s the point: you can never win. “Try” and you’re seen as superficial. Don’t try and you’re a genderless hag.

I like looking good so I’ll continue to do these things.

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Anonymous wrote:Every guy is different. I have never worn make up on a daily basis, and still don't. 28 years and some months ago, when getting married, I remember going for a trial make up and hair day, and my then fiancee asked me if I was going to look like a tart on our wedding day because I was getting my make up done. I said no, that I was going to get made up to look like I had no make up on.

He didn't understand, but he's not into made-up women. We are both aging, our bodies and skin isn't what it once was, but neither covers it or gets procedures done to look any different than who we are

You fooled me on the ending. I thought, for sure, the moral of the story would be not to marry a man who refers to wedding makeup as looking like a tart.

Ha, that got me too. I would not have reacted well to that, or my DH ever making a comment about women in that way. Good thing I didn't marry a misogynistic a$$. To each their own. (married 24 yrs, so I doubt we're much younger than PP)

Oh my dear OP.

Most men don't notice that women "doll themselves up", unless the dolling up is extreme. Of course they date and marry them! Some of them never realize how much their wives change their appearance, ever.

And it's not all or nothing. I wear bras with padding, and so does my daughter. We're petite Asians: a lot (most?) of Asian women wear padded bras. We don't wear lash extensions, or daily make-up, or dress in a provocative way.
I bet some women who wear lash extensions don't do the rest of your list. Eastern European women have a history of dressing in a sexier way than Western Europeans or Americans - but they may not do the lash extensions.

You have a certain image in your mind, and it's not representative of most people. The larger point is that most "enhancements" are not visible to men, who go through life having absolutely no clue about any of that stuff.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We live in an affluent neighborhood with many different types of rich wives. There are physician wives who look average. There are lawyer wives who look average and frumpy, look sharp and well put together and former lawyers who married partners. There are women who are very fit who were former college athletes. There are second wives who are like OP’s description who think we are jealous of them, but not.

I don’t think these types of women are the types men want to marry and have children with.

The second wife in our neighborhood was a D1 swimmer and a model. I'm not jealous of her, but I do think she's gorgeous. The MAGA-looking women in our neighborhood have also found men to marry them and have children with them, and they are generally friendly neighbors—no need to stereotype or judge people who look different than you or your spouse.

The second wife in our neighborhood is not young. She just had a lot of plastic surgery. She actually makes jokes about being the second wife. I’m one of the younger wives in the neighborhood. The second wife is older than me. She actually looks below average without makeup. I always think it must be tiring to put so much makeup on, wear the high heels, etc. I like to be comfortable.

I do think all the men in my neighborhood are successful. The wives are all different.

What one woman who dose all of these things looks like can look vastly different from another who does these things.

If you have a lot of money to spend, you might look great. If you don't have money to spend on these things, you might look awful. What you were gifted with genetically matters here as well.

Oh. And everyone should "work out." There are health ramifications there.

This must be the dumbest posts I've seen in a long time. Spend any time in the real world and you'll see that some men like that type of women. And some like a more natural. And some like an in between.

Anonymous wrote:We live in an affluent neighborhood with many different types of rich wives. There are physician wives who look average. There are lawyer wives who look average and frumpy, look sharp and well put together and former lawyers who married partners. There are women who are very fit who were former college athletes. There are second wives who are like OP’s description who think we are jealous of them, but not.

I don’t think these types of women are the types men want to marry and have children with.

The second wife in our neighborhood was a D1 swimmer and a model. I'm not jealous of her, but I do think she's gorgeous. The MAGA-looking women in our neighborhood have also found men to marry them and have children with them, and they are generally friendly neighbors—no need to stereotype or judge people who look different than you or your spouse.

Anonymous wrote:What the heck is wrong with push up bras?

Some incel types consider make up and push up bras false advertising 🙄