Anonymous
05/23/2025 23:07
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s worse is they increased salaries for non teachers by 5%. Central office highly paid staff get 5% more! But teacher positions are cut and school support like classroom monitors. Their priorities are so out of whack.
You know FCPS ranks 6th out of 8 for teacher pay among local jurisdictions, right? And like 1.1% of FCPS employees are central office-- whose work includes minor matters like making sure paychecks are issued, job applications are processed in a timely manner, the massive fleet of busses that rivals Greyhound in size is operational, that the accomplishments of kids and teachers are highlighted, documented and recognized, and IT is up and running at 200 different schools for 183k kids.
Tell your company they should 86 the finance team, their HR or IT department and see how it goes...
No private companies are handing out 5% raises to HR and other admin employees. Plus central office is also full of highly paid specialists, special program managers, chiefs, and more useless positions. Many of which are filled with failed principals. These people already make a lot of money and do not deserve a 5% raises.
Also, teacher pay isn’t 5 out of 8. It depends on the level of teacher and that ranking didn’t account for the total compensation package. Just salary. But I am fine giving teachers and others who work with students a 6% (or more raise). It’s the others (new school board staffers, for example) who don’t deserve a 5% raise. Certainly not at the expense of the school staff.
Yeah it's the teachers with MASTERS degrees who have teacher pay well below nearly all other jurisdictions. Does that clarification make you feel better? Also, I'm willing to bet your private sector company or federal/state agency has given you several consecutive years of healthy raises while teachers pay stagnated ... and now it's time to play catch up and this time, they have a union so for once, they can't be told to sit on their hands...
You are once again missing the point. I’m fine with teachers getting a 6% raise. What I don’t understand is why teachers support their jobs being made harder to give central office a 5% raise.
And my raise was 2% last year and will be less this year because the economy has been killed by Trump.
What does this have to do with the salary increases of others and class sizes in schools?
It was a response to the statement made by the PP I was a responding to - “Also, I'm willing to bet your private sector company or federal/state agency has given you several consecutive years of healthy raises while teachers pay stagnated.” That person thinks everyone has been swimming in raises but we have not.
Mine this year was 3% and that's by far the lowest it's been in the past 20 years, so yeah, most people in the private sector have been doing really well for ourselves. I'm happy to see teachers get a large raise that they deserve. This shouldn't be an us vs. them thing, you whining like this is just really selfish and bratty of you.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 22:37
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s worse is they increased salaries for non teachers by 5%. Central office highly paid staff get 5% more! But teacher positions are cut and school support like classroom monitors. Their priorities are so out of whack.
You know FCPS ranks 6th out of 8 for teacher pay among local jurisdictions, right? And like 1.1% of FCPS employees are central office-- whose work includes minor matters like making sure paychecks are issued, job applications are processed in a timely manner, the massive fleet of busses that rivals Greyhound in size is operational, that the accomplishments of kids and teachers are highlighted, documented and recognized, and IT is up and running at 200 different schools for 183k kids.
Tell your company they should 86 the finance team, their HR or IT department and see how it goes...
No private companies are handing out 5% raises to HR and other admin employees. Plus central office is also full of highly paid specialists, special program managers, chiefs, and more useless positions. Many of which are filled with failed principals. These people already make a lot of money and do not deserve a 5% raises.
Also, teacher pay isn’t 5 out of 8. It depends on the level of teacher and that ranking didn’t account for the total compensation package. Just salary. But I am fine giving teachers and others who work with students a 6% (or more raise). It’s the others (new school board staffers, for example) who don’t deserve a 5% raise. Certainly not at the expense of the school staff.
Yeah it's the teachers with MASTERS degrees who have teacher pay well below nearly all other jurisdictions. Does that clarification make you feel better? Also, I'm willing to bet your private sector company or federal/state agency has given you several consecutive years of healthy raises while teachers pay stagnated ... and now it's time to play catch up and this time, they have a union so for once, they can't be told to sit on their hands...
You are once again missing the point. I’m fine with teachers getting a 6% raise. What I don’t understand is why teachers support their jobs being made harder to give central office a 5% raise.
And my raise was 2% last year and will be less this year because the economy has been killed by Trump.
What does this have to do with the salary increases of others and class sizes in schools?
It was a response to the statement made by the PP I was a responding to - “Also, I'm willing to bet your private sector company or federal/state agency has given you several consecutive years of healthy raises while teachers pay stagnated.” That person thinks everyone has been swimming in raises but we have not.
Other people’s raises are not connected to teachers receiving raises. They are two separate topics.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 22:24
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s worse is they increased salaries for non teachers by 5%. Central office highly paid staff get 5% more! But teacher positions are cut and school support like classroom monitors. Their priorities are so out of whack.
You know FCPS ranks 6th out of 8 for teacher pay among local jurisdictions, right? And like 1.1% of FCPS employees are central office-- whose work includes minor matters like making sure paychecks are issued, job applications are processed in a timely manner, the massive fleet of busses that rivals Greyhound in size is operational, that the accomplishments of kids and teachers are highlighted, documented and recognized, and IT is up and running at 200 different schools for 183k kids.
Tell your company they should 86 the finance team, their HR or IT department and see how it goes...
No private companies are handing out 5% raises to HR and other admin employees. Plus central office is also full of highly paid specialists, special program managers, chiefs, and more useless positions. Many of which are filled with failed principals. These people already make a lot of money and do not deserve a 5% raises.
Also, teacher pay isn’t 5 out of 8. It depends on the level of teacher and that ranking didn’t account for the total compensation package. Just salary. But I am fine giving teachers and others who work with students a 6% (or more raise). It’s the others (new school board staffers, for example) who don’t deserve a 5% raise. Certainly not at the expense of the school staff.
Yeah it's the teachers with MASTERS degrees who have teacher pay well below nearly all other jurisdictions. Does that clarification make you feel better? Also, I'm willing to bet your private sector company or federal/state agency has given you several consecutive years of healthy raises while teachers pay stagnated ... and now it's time to play catch up and this time, they have a union so for once, they can't be told to sit on their hands...
You are once again missing the point. I’m fine with teachers getting a 6% raise. What I don’t understand is why teachers support their jobs being made harder to give central office a 5% raise.
And my raise was 2% last year and will be less this year because the economy has been killed by Trump.
What does this have to do with the salary increases of others and class sizes in schools?
It was a response to the statement made by the PP I was a responding to - “Also, I'm willing to bet your private sector company or federal/state agency has given you several consecutive years of healthy raises while teachers pay stagnated.” That person thinks everyone has been swimming in raises but we have not.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 22:12
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Can’t find the new pay scales?
They aren't updated yet. They should be soon. The website reads, "The salary scales will be updated to reflect the salary
increases approved by the School Board on May 22, 2025".
Anonymous
05/23/2025 22:10
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s worse is they increased salaries for non teachers by 5%. Central office highly paid staff get 5% more! But teacher positions are cut and school support like classroom monitors. Their priorities are so out of whack.
You know FCPS ranks 6th out of 8 for teacher pay among local jurisdictions, right? And like 1.1% of FCPS employees are central office-- whose work includes minor matters like making sure paychecks are issued, job applications are processed in a timely manner, the massive fleet of busses that rivals Greyhound in size is operational, that the accomplishments of kids and teachers are highlighted, documented and recognized, and IT is up and running at 200 different schools for 183k kids.
Tell your company they should 86 the finance team, their HR or IT department and see how it goes...
No private companies are handing out 5% raises to HR and other admin employees. Plus central office is also full of highly paid specialists, special program managers, chiefs, and more useless positions. Many of which are filled with failed principals. These people already make a lot of money and do not deserve a 5% raises.
Also, teacher pay isn’t 5 out of 8. It depends on the level of teacher and that ranking didn’t account for the total compensation package. Just salary. But I am fine giving teachers and others who work with students a 6% (or more raise). It’s the others (new school board staffers, for example) who don’t deserve a 5% raise. Certainly not at the expense of the school staff.
Yeah it's the teachers with MASTERS degrees who have teacher pay well below nearly all other jurisdictions. Does that clarification make you feel better? Also, I'm willing to bet your private sector company or federal/state agency has given you several consecutive years of healthy raises while teachers pay stagnated ... and now it's time to play catch up and this time, they have a union so for once, they can't be told to sit on their hands...
You are once again missing the point. I’m fine with teachers getting a 6% raise. What I don’t understand is why teachers support their jobs being made harder to give central office a 5% raise.
And my raise was 2% last year and will be less this year because the economy has been killed by Trump.
What does this have to do with the salary increases of others and class sizes in schools?
Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:43
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With the larger class sizes, there is a chance many secondary teachers will have greater than 150 students. There is a sliding scale for additional pay once you go over 150.
I think the class size issues is just for elementary since that’s where they absorbed openings and that’s the issues with AART and sped chairs.
In addition to the proposed cuts to AARTs and Sped leads at the elementary level, there was an additional adjustment in the staffing formula for all grades which will result in a net loss of around 270 positions, with an average of 1.5 per school. Whether those are absorbed somehow or actually result in job losses is yet to be seen.
Here is the budget presentation. https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/DGH4PR0C8DAC/$file/FY26%20Approved%20Presentation%20v8.pdf
Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:38
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With the larger class sizes, there is a chance many secondary teachers will have greater than 150 students. There is a sliding scale for additional pay once you go over 150.
I think the class size issues is just for elementary since that’s where they absorbed openings and that’s the issues with AART and sped chairs.
In addition to the proposed cuts to AARTs and Sped leads at the elementary level, there was an additional adjustment in the staffing formula for all grades which will result in a net loss of around 270 positions, with an average of 1.5 per school. Whether those are absorbed somehow or actually result in job losses is yet to be seen.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:05
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Should read the room. The feds who survived are looking at 0% raise next year.
Teachers still need raises.
Never said they don't deserve it. Just saying 6% is a bit extravagant and tone deaf considering the current times.
Do you mean the current times where teachers are completely disrespected by parents AND many students? Those times?
What good is a 6% raise if your classes go from manageable 25 kids to out of control 35 kids and all the aides have been eliminated? Is it really worth it? How many aide positions could have been saved if it was more moderate like 3 or 4% raise?
Not much good, is it? Maybe next time show up before the Board of Supervisors when they're throwing schools under the bus and creating a meals tax to shave a few hundred off your property tax bill ...
This isn’t the supervisors fault. It’s Reid and the school board’s fault for misspending the huge sum they were given on things other than education. We don’t need $500,000 contacts for a boundary study that could have been done by the huge FCPS facilities staff who are now getting a 5% raise. And on and on.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 21:02
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s worse is they increased salaries for non teachers by 5%. Central office highly paid staff get 5% more! But teacher positions are cut and school support like classroom monitors. Their priorities are so out of whack.
You know FCPS ranks 6th out of 8 for teacher pay among local jurisdictions, right? And like 1.1% of FCPS employees are central office-- whose work includes minor matters like making sure paychecks are issued, job applications are processed in a timely manner, the massive fleet of busses that rivals Greyhound in size is operational, that the accomplishments of kids and teachers are highlighted, documented and recognized, and IT is up and running at 200 different schools for 183k kids.
Tell your company they should 86 the finance team, their HR or IT department and see how it goes...
No private companies are handing out 5% raises to HR and other admin employees. Plus central office is also full of highly paid specialists, special program managers, chiefs, and more useless positions. Many of which are filled with failed principals. These people already make a lot of money and do not deserve a 5% raises.
Also, teacher pay isn’t 5 out of 8. It depends on the level of teacher and that ranking didn’t account for the total compensation package. Just salary. But I am fine giving teachers and others who work with students a 6% (or more raise). It’s the others (new school board staffers, for example) who don’t deserve a 5% raise. Certainly not at the expense of the school staff.
Yeah it's the teachers with MASTERS degrees who have teacher pay well below nearly all other jurisdictions. Does that clarification make you feel better? Also, I'm willing to bet your private sector company or federal/state agency has given you several consecutive years of healthy raises while teachers pay stagnated ... and now it's time to play catch up and this time, they have a union so for once, they can't be told to sit on their hands...
You are once again missing the point. I’m fine with teachers getting a 6% raise. What I don’t understand is why teachers support their jobs being made harder to give central office a 5% raise.
And my raise was 2% last year and will be less this year because the economy has been killed by Trump.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:54
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:With the larger class sizes, there is a chance many secondary teachers will have greater than 150 students. There is a sliding scale for additional pay once you go over 150.
I think the class size issues is just for elementary since that’s where they absorbed openings and that’s the issues with AART and sped chairs.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:44
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Should read the room. The feds who survived are looking at 0% raise next year.
Teachers still need raises.
Never said they don't deserve it. Just saying 6% is a bit extravagant and tone deaf considering the current times.
Do you mean the current times where teachers are completely disrespected by parents AND many students? Those times?
What good is a 6% raise if your classes go from manageable 25 kids to out of control 35 kids and all the aides have been eliminated? Is it really worth it? How many aide positions could have been saved if it was more moderate like 3 or 4% raise?
Do the math, then you'll realize your mistake.
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:39
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Should read the room. The feds who survived are looking at 0% raise next year.
Teachers still need raises.
Never said they don't deserve it. Just saying 6% is a bit extravagant and tone deaf considering the current times.
Do you mean the current times where teachers are completely disrespected by parents AND many students? Those times?
What good is a 6% raise if your classes go from manageable 25 kids to out of control 35 kids and all the aides have been eliminated? Is it really worth it? How many aide positions could have been saved if it was more moderate like 3 or 4% raise?
Maybe if the FEU had challenged the powers that be on the staff at the hq and all the satellite hqs, they would have received a better deal. Maybe if they had pointed out that letting one of the Chiefs keep her Equity Empire was going to cost a lot of dollars and lead to legal expenses with the feds, they would have been able to pay the teachers more.
I suspect that our FEU leaders support the Equity Empire.
Not much good, is it? Maybe next time show up before the Board of Supervisors when they're throwing schools under the bus and creating a meals tax to shave a few hundred off your property tax bill ...
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:15
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Should read the room. The feds who survived are looking at 0% raise next year.
Teachers still need raises.
Never said they don't deserve it. Just saying 6% is a bit extravagant and tone deaf considering the current times.
Do you mean the current times where teachers are completely disrespected by parents AND many students? Those times?
What good is a 6% raise if your classes go from manageable 25 kids to out of control 35 kids and all the aides have been eliminated? Is it really worth it? How many aide positions could have been saved if it was more moderate like 3 or 4% raise?
Not much good, is it? Maybe next time show up before the Board of Supervisors when they're throwing schools under the bus and creating a meals tax to shave a few hundred off your property tax bill ...
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:13
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s worse is they increased salaries for non teachers by 5%. Central office highly paid staff get 5% more! But teacher positions are cut and school support like classroom monitors. Their priorities are so out of whack.
You know FCPS ranks 6th out of 8 for teacher pay among local jurisdictions, right? And like 1.1% of FCPS employees are central office-- whose work includes minor matters like making sure paychecks are issued, job applications are processed in a timely manner, the massive fleet of busses that rivals Greyhound in size is operational, that the accomplishments of kids and teachers are highlighted, documented and recognized, and IT is up and running at 200 different schools for 183k kids.
Tell your company they should 86 the finance team, their HR or IT department and see how it goes...
No private companies are handing out 5% raises to HR and other admin employees. Plus central office is also full of highly paid specialists, special program managers, chiefs, and more useless positions. Many of which are filled with failed principals. These people already make a lot of money and do not deserve a 5% raises.
Also, teacher pay isn’t 5 out of 8. It depends on the level of teacher and that ranking didn’t account for the total compensation package. Just salary. But I am fine giving teachers and others who work with students a 6% (or more raise). It’s the others (new school board staffers, for example) who don’t deserve a 5% raise. Certainly not at the expense of the school staff.
Yeah it's the teachers with MASTERS degrees who have teacher pay well below nearly all other jurisdictions. Does that clarification make you feel better? Also, I'm willing to bet your private sector company or federal/state agency has given you several consecutive years of healthy raises while teachers pay stagnated ... and now it's time to play catch up and this time, they have a union so for once, they can't be told to sit on their hands...
Anonymous
05/23/2025 20:12
Subject: School board increases salaries for teachers with LARGER class sizes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Should read the room. The feds who survived are looking at 0% raise next year.
Teachers still need raises.
Never said they don't deserve it. Just saying 6% is a bit extravagant and tone deaf considering the current times.
Do you mean the current times where teachers are completely disrespected by parents AND many students? Those times?
What good is a 6% raise if your classes go from manageable 25 kids to out of control 35 kids and all the aides have been eliminated? Is it really worth it? How many aide positions could have been saved if it was more moderate like 3 or 4% raise?