Anonymous wrote:AOC is a bartender, Whitmer just hid her face behind a binder at the White House like a child and French Laundry is so CA slicked back hair cringe.

I'll be interested to hear who the ors are?

She is a multiple time U.S. Representative (AOC), who is incredibly smart and well-spoken, not to mention brave af. So take your misogyny and shove it. Shame on you for trying to reduce her to a "bartender." She is literally the American Dream.

Trump is a historically unpopular president. Democrats could run Elmo and he'd win in 2028, particularly if Vance is the GOP nominee.

But let's say Nikki Haley is the GOP nominee. That's a problem for Democrats.

Democrats are on the wrong side of a lot issues that motivate voters - illegal immigration, violent crime, schools, racial preferential hiring, and yes, the trans thing. Republicans will go to town on all those issues.

I think a lot of people are confusing economic progressives with social progressives. Social progressives are an anvil for Democrats. But economic progressives are a big win for Democrats. If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, he'd win in a heartbeat. AOC is only 35. She's too young to fill that space. But if Democrats could find a middle aged governor who's all about the working and middle class, they will do very well.

I personally like Pritzker right now. He's saying and doing the right things. But there is a lot of space for someone to come out of left field and surprise everyone. The usual names - Newsome, Whitmer, Buttigieg, Shapiro, Walz, Harris - are not happening. You only have one chance to make a first impression, and they all failed. They don't have what it takes to win a competitive race against a Haley.

Anonymous wrote:Osoff. I encourage everyone to start listening to him and researching him.

He's a powerful speaker. He's a good age. I like what he stands for so far.

I could also get behind Buttigieg. However, none of my gay male liberal friends like him. Like, at all, and they say most gay men do not like him. If you can't even count on the gay votes, there's no way you'll carry the nation, IMO. Same.

The Dems need a ticket without a woman as the Presidential nominee. The US is too ass-backwards to elect a female right now or for at least the next 20 years, IMO.

The Dems also need to get off the trans train. They make up less than 2% of the population. They need to broaden their focus to equal human rights for all. If they had ran on that platform with Harris and geared it toward including Palestinians, Harris would have gotten more of the liberal Gen Z vote and possibly won.

YES. Osoff! Osoff! He has charisma!

I am fine with Murphy or Pritzker.

Actually I am fine with anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:AOC is a bartender, Whitmer just hid her face behind a binder at the White House like a child and French Laundry is so CA slicked back hair cringe.

I'll be interested to hear who the ors are?

AOC has degrees in Public Policy and Economics Magna Cum Laude. Do you refer to everyone by their first job forever or just women who speak truth with confidence?

So many of these people are allergic to qualified candidates. Functionally literate Donnie Diapers failed at everything he’s ever done and beat two much more qualified women because the MAGAs are insecure.

Whatever, we can’t help them help themselves. If these fake Christians want to vote against their best interests, that’s on them.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully none of those mentioned. We need moderates, it’s a landslide if you put up a moderate.

We don't need moderates. We tried that. They don't bring out the voters. Republicans will never switch sides. We need to bring out the progressives who won't come out for "basically a Republican"

It worked in 2020.

Progressives are a lost cause. We need turnout of moderates. And as many people from as many other groups as we can peel off.

No. We just need to keep the MAGAs from controlling the narratives. We haven’t run a progressive in decades, stop making sane policies sound like they are “progressive.”

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What the PP should have said was choosing 80 year old people to lead a major political party in a country of 335 million people is a lost cause.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully none of those mentioned. We need moderates, it’s a landslide if you put up a moderate.

We don't need moderates. We tried that. They don't bring out the voters. Republicans will never switch sides. We need to bring out the progressives who won't come out for "basically a Republican"

It worked in 2020.

Progressives are a lost cause. We need turnout of moderates. And as many people from as many other groups as we can peel off.

No. We just need to keep the MAGAs from controlling the narratives. We haven’t run a progressive in decades, stop making sane policies sound like they are “progressive.”

Anonymous wrote:AOC is a bartender, Whitmer just hid her face behind a binder at the White House like a child and French Laundry is so CA slicked back hair cringe.

I'll be interested to hear who the ors are?

AOC has degrees in Public Policy and Economics Magna Cum Laude. Do you refer to everyone by their first job forever or just women who speak truth with confidence?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully none of those mentioned. We need moderates, it’s a landslide if you put up a moderate.

Harris wasn’t a moderate?

Not really no. She was tethered to Biden and his agenda and couldn’t distance herself from it, maybe she didn’t want too but most likely didn’t have the time to. There needs to be some fiscal conservatism, a recognition of realized tax burden, redefining middle class and wealthiest 1% to reflect todays prices and incomes and adjusting taxes accordingly, brining back tax benefits/capping interest and offering civil service to address student loans rather than forgiveness, incentives education in medical careers (nursing, doctors, techs etc. similar to military service) and reform healthcare (eliminate the middle man and standardize pricing) do away with special interest in politics, not allowing DEI and other “hot” topics to take center stage and distract from real issues. Take a firm stance on immigration, it doesn’t have to be tyrannical but show some fortitude in forcing people to adhere to our immigration laws. No one wants what we have now but they also don’t AOC and the thought of a socialist government.

Biden was a moderate. So was Harris. They were doing everything on your list (Biden was admittedly late to find the right balance on immigration). I have no idea what kind of “DEI” policies scared you so but they were never center stage for either.

Biden was uninspired and a “just not Trump” vote. He was never able to control the narrative and was unable to adapt to the candidate he was running against. While his administration did great things their narrative was mute (seemingly only talking about DEI issues or federal handouts) controlled by the far right. Always on the defensive never on the offensive. He brought cookies and milk to knife fight. In hindsight things are much clearer and I can understand the hesitation at the time but 1/6 should have lead to treason charges. Sometimes the only way to stop a bully is to punch him the face.

Yes, any positive legacy Biden could have had went down the drain when he created an easy path for Trump to a second term. Electing 1st term POTUSs who aren't going to be viable as incumbents four years down the road is a losing strategy.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully none of those mentioned. We need moderates, it’s a landslide if you put up a moderate.

We don't need moderates. We tried that. They don't bring out the voters. Republicans will never switch sides. We need to bring out the progressives who won't come out for "basically a Republican"

It worked in 2020.

Progressives are a lost cause. We need turnout of moderates. And as many people from as many other groups as we can peel off.

Anonymous wrote:Pritzker and Beshear are two that come to mind.

Dems historically like Governors and both have their pluses.

I like both of them - and best I know, neither has something very weird or off putting about them that would tank this thing.

I think Walz is going to try again, this time for the top seat.

We'll have to see how the campaigning goes. You find out a lot once someone's actually going for it - if they've got the juice or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully none of those mentioned. We need moderates, it’s a landslide if you put up a moderate.

Harris wasn’t a moderate?

Not really no. She was tethered to Biden and his agenda and couldn’t distance herself from it, maybe she didn’t want too but most likely didn’t have the time to. There needs to be some fiscal conservatism, a recognition of realized tax burden, redefining middle class and wealthiest 1% to reflect todays prices and incomes and adjusting taxes accordingly, brining back tax benefits/capping interest and offering civil service to address student loans rather than forgiveness, incentives education in medical careers (nursing, doctors, techs etc. similar to military service) and reform healthcare (eliminate the middle man and standardize pricing) do away with special interest in politics, not allowing DEI and other “hot” topics to take center stage and distract from real issues. Take a firm stance on immigration, it doesn’t have to be tyrannical but show some fortitude in forcing people to adhere to our immigration laws. No one wants what we have now but they also don’t AOC and the thought of a socialist government.

Biden was a moderate. So was Harris. They were doing everything on your list (Biden was admittedly late to find the right balance on immigration). I have no idea what kind of “DEI” policies scared you so but they were never center stage for either.

Biden was uninspired and a “just not Trump” vote. He was never able to control the narrative and was unable to adapt to the candidate he was running against. While his administration did great things their narrative was mute (seemingly only talking about DEI issues or federal handouts) controlled by the far right. Always on the defensive never on the offensive. He brought cookies and milk to knife fight. In hindsight things are much clearer and I can understand the hesitation at the time but 1/6 should have lead to treason charges. Sometimes the only way to stop a bully is to punch him the face.

I think Osoff would be an excellent choice. I'm really impressed with him whenever I hear him speak.

I also think Beshear could he a strong contender. He's a well liked Democratic governor in a very red state.

It's cute that people think they have a say in who the Dem candidate will be.

Bring back Al Franken!

Anonymous wrote:Pritzker would crush Vance.

Only if he fell on top of him.