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Anonymous wrote:400-1000 per month for mins in games is common at top clubs on west coast.

It’s F in gross.

I was pretty shocked when chatting with a west coast parent and they asked what I pay in 'coach fees' per month... I was stumped (as parent and longtime coach), and told him I had never heard of the concept. He said it is how all of the coaches/clubs in his areas operate, you pay the club a standard fee (for the year) and then pay monthly fees to a coach... Pretty wild if you ask me.

Hand on the Bible this is exatly how it works. Its sick and wrong and needs to stop. Its killing US soccer.

About time some of the DMV soccer parents learned about what happens in other parts of the country.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:400-1000 per month for mins in games is common at top clubs on west coast.

It’s F in gross.

I was pretty shocked when chatting with a west coast parent and they asked what I pay in 'coach fees' per month... I was stumped (as parent and longtime coach), and told him I had never heard of the concept. He said it is how all of the coaches/clubs in his areas operate, you pay the club a standard fee (for the year) and then pay monthly fees to a coach... Pretty wild if you ask me.

Hand on the Bible this is exatly how it works. Its sick and wrong and needs to stop. Its killing US soccer.

Anonymous wrote:If you were to watch my sons team which is not a top team but is competitive, you would see a few kids who don't belong. They aren't being paid. It's kind of the opposite. We have a few boys who have been part of the crew for a few years but haven't developed at the same rate. They dont have the same field awareness. But they are part of the team and the best way to learn is through play time. They don't start and they sit the bench when play is close. I keep wondering if they won't make the team next year, but they are friends of ours and it's kind of heartwarming that the team can be competitive and kind. Other families cheer them on. I like being part of a team that gives opportunity.

The flip side of this is that kids on lower teams who have been developing and can play at that level don't get a chance to play on the higher team because no one wants their kid demoted.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:400-1000 per month for mins in games is common at top clubs on west coast.

It’s F in gross.

I was pretty shocked when chatting with a west coast parent and they asked what I pay in 'coach fees' per month... I was stumped (as parent and longtime coach), and told him I had never heard of the concept. He said it is how all of the coaches/clubs in his areas operate, you pay the club a standard fee (for the year) and then pay monthly fees to a coach... Pretty wild if you ask me.

So these fees go towards privates or just directly into the coaches pocket for minutes?

What's the difference? I prefer to pay for an outside trainer who is not associated with her team or even club for private training. If you're paying the team's coach, does everyone have access to the same extra paid training? If not and if the kids aren't the best players but they get minutes, how is that perceived?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:400-1000 per month for mins in games is common at top clubs on west coast.

It’s F in gross.

I was pretty shocked when chatting with a west coast parent and they asked what I pay in 'coach fees' per month... I was stumped (as parent and longtime coach), and told him I had never heard of the concept. He said it is how all of the coaches/clubs in his areas operate, you pay the club a standard fee (for the year) and then pay monthly fees to a coach... Pretty wild if you ask me.

So these fees go towards privates or just directly into the coaches pocket for minutes?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:400-1000 per month for mins in games is common at top clubs on west coast.

It’s F in gross.

I was pretty shocked when chatting with a west coast parent and they asked what I pay in 'coach fees' per month... I was stumped (as parent and longtime coach), and told him I had never heard of the concept. He said it is how all of the coaches/clubs in his areas operate, you pay the club a standard fee (for the year) and then pay monthly fees to a coach... Pretty wild if you ask me.

This is how some clubs are run. Clubs don't pay coaches. The coaches are their own 1099 subcontractors and charge what they reasonably can. In the end, it comes out to be about the same as paying an all inclusive club fee. In these situations, parents aren't lining the coach's pockets for minutes.

In the above, about 400-1000 per month for minutes is totally different from what I'm saying.

I guess. This person's club fees are 3K a year. Then they are paying the coach several hundred per month. Oh, and yes, the coaches are 1099s but they are also getting paid from the club. So the parents may not be lining the coaches pockets for minutes but they are for sure lining his pockets.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:400-1000 per month for mins in games is common at top clubs on west coast.

It’s F in gross.

I was pretty shocked when chatting with a west coast parent and they asked what I pay in 'coach fees' per month... I was stumped (as parent and longtime coach), and told him I had never heard of the concept. He said it is how all of the coaches/clubs in his areas operate, you pay the club a standard fee (for the year) and then pay monthly fees to a coach... Pretty wild if you ask me.

This is how some clubs are run. Clubs don't pay coaches. The coaches are their own 1099 subcontractors and charge what they reasonably can. In the end, it comes out to be about the same as paying an all inclusive club fee. In these situations, parents aren't lining the coach's pockets for minutes.

In the above, about 400-1000 per month for minutes is totally different from what I'm saying.

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Anonymous wrote:100% true. Former ECNL coach, top 10 club.

I easily pulled in an extra $50k per season from parent gratuities.

One season we went deep in nationals, a player I took a gamble on and rostered for the tourney had a dad that owns the a Land Rover dealership. I’ve been a customer for life ever since.

Yep. That how it works. But this will only take the kid so far. Once you hand the bad rostered kid to the college coach, they are on their own and the reality hits. Unless the college itself gets donations too lol

Affluent DMV parent plan...once daughter/s is/are fading athletically and not getting what the good players get...find way on the board at club, build relationships with coaches/parents advertising wealth, travel with team and be very involved in planning and activities so everyone thinks your are helpful and wonderful. Then, if daughter continues to fade, start the college recruiting push to schools that daughter/s have zero business playing (if this is not working, switch clubs and try again). This is much easier to pull off if you own a professional soccer team or car dealership for obvious reasons.

I made a joke about this to my H the other day, but a few of the items listed here fit the scenario:
Coach doesn’t have another job
Private coaching sessions open to only an invite few resulting in cliques as well as not passing to certain players.

There are a couple of clear standouts on the team, but everyone else is comparable. No reason not to get players significant playing time especially on a non top tier team. Admittedly, we are hands off parents and our kid does another sport as well. But I think we are done at least with this team.

If this is true, it shows the lengths people will go to avoid accountability for themselves and their kids. How about the kid just train more to earn their playing time? Nah...i'll pay a coach. Pathetic.

Also, there are so many people who claim supposed preferential treatment for kids when the problem is that their kid isn't very good. Again...avoiding accountability and putting the blame on something else. My kid has been the top scorer/playmaker on every team he's played on. As a CB, CM, and ST. He trains relentlessly and is obsessed with the sport. And yet, we have had multiple families claim its unfair he gets to play so much and be on the top team. The common thread? Those parents were losers, and their kid wasn't very good.

Anything to avoid the real problem and truth of the matter.

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Anonymous wrote:My husband has always been convinced this is the case. lol

We never paid them. I think sometimes it’s donations to the club too.

what gave that away? The named/reserved parking spots?

😂 Dp. But I’m so out of the loop of the ‘fundraising for “scholarships”’ that I have no idea when our parking spot is even auctioned.

We had one mom on one of our ECNL team give private weekly yoga sessions to her daughters team.

For girls, Yoga = ACL tears. Look it up.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband has always been convinced this is the case. lol

We never paid them. I think sometimes it’s donations to the club too.

what gave that away? The named/reserved parking spots?

😂 Dp. But I’m so out of the loop of the ‘fundraising for “scholarships”’ that I have no idea when our parking spot is even auctioned.

We had one mom on one of our ECNL team give private weekly yoga sessions to her daughters team.

For girls, Yoga = ACL tears. Look it up.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband has always been convinced this is the case. lol

We never paid them. I think sometimes it’s donations to the club too.

what gave that away? The named/reserved parking spots?

😂 Dp. But I’m so out of the loop of the ‘fundraising for “scholarships”’ that I have no idea when our parking spot is even auctioned.

We had one mom on one of our ECNL team give private weekly yoga sessions to her daughters team.

For girls, Yoga = ACL tears. Look it up.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband has always been convinced this is the case. lol

We never paid them. I think sometimes it’s donations to the club too.

what gave that away? The named/reserved parking spots?

😂 Dp. But I’m so out of the loop of the ‘fundraising for “scholarships”’ that I have no idea when our parking spot is even auctioned.

We had one mom on one of our ECNL team give private weekly yoga sessions to her daughters team.

Anonymous wrote:100% true. Former ECNL coach, top 10 club.

I easily pulled in an extra $50k per season from parent gratuities.

One season we went deep in nationals, a player I took a gamble on and rostered for the tourney had a dad that owns the a Land Rover dealership. I’ve been a customer for life ever since.

Yep. That how it works. But this will only take the kid so far. Once you hand the bad rostered kid to the college coach, they are on their own and the reality hits. Unless the college itself gets donations too lol