There will always be special admits for athletes, children of celebrities, children of politicians. They will invariably have lower SAT and GPA scores but that's the way it works.

Look at trump's kid, obamas kids, the whole varsity blues scandal.

A significant portion of the slots at Ivies are reserved for athletes, legacies, important people, etc. That's why you see so many 1600 4.0 UW rejections.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the Yale football team.
First guy had a 19, 2nd a 24, 3rd a 1280, and 4th a 27

This was before Yale went back to test required.

I know two athletes that had to decommit recently because 1/2 the Ivies went back to test required and they couldn’t get the score. Regular students need 34-36, an athlete still needs low 30s.

+100

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's the Yale football team.
First guy had a 19, 2nd a 24, 3rd a 1280, and 4th a 27

This was before Yale went back to test required.

I know two athletes that had to decommit recently because 1/2 the Ivies went back to test required and they couldn’t get the score. Regular students need 34-36, an athlete still needs low 30s.

That sounds more likely and believable.

+1

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What do yall think?

The football team is not representative of the typical athlete at Yale.

Anonymous wrote:27 I get - you have to be a very strong athlete to compete at an Ivy. Most varsity team captains aren’t Ivy level athletes. I also know someone who earned a 21 or 22 on the ACT who played on Northwestern’s women’s lacrosse team, so I’m not surprised.

Debatable. You can't be BAD, for individual sports, you have to be very good, but there are a lot of spots to fill on the football and lacrosse teams. Those spots are not reserved for the best of the best. Those kids go to a different kind of school.

AOs want students who will be happy to be the C students in their schools too.

Anonymous wrote:Considering these schools now have remedial math and writing for regular admits, who cares.

Harvard's "remedial" math class is just a regular calculus class that meets more often.

I have a kid at an Ivy and what I think is that they must have different expectations as I don’t get how they keep up. My average kid couldn’t handle it let alone with sports on top.

But also, his roommate and good friend are both athletes and absolutely on the level of a typical student in hard majors, one premed and one engineering. I get impression their Ivy cares about grades more and sports results less for some reason based on that, but obviously don’t really know.

I don't know why this bothers DCUM. The school chooses the students to admit. Your DC chooses whether to apply, and you choose whether to pay for it. If you don't like that the schools don't enforce a strict 34+ ACT policy across the board, then don't apply / attend. Do you think the schools should not have the teams unless everyone om the roster scored a 34+?

Considering these schools now have remedial math and writing for regular admits, who cares.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you need to do all honors/AP courses to be recruited as an Ivy athlete? Or is grade level with decent grandes enough? I was thinking honors/AP but maybe lower grades and a 1200+ SAT score.

The latter. For MIT, it's the former.

The former plus a 1500 on the SAT with a Math score preferably of 1570 or higher.

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Anonymous wrote:27 I get - you have to be a very strong athlete to compete at an Ivy. Most varsity team captains aren’t Ivy level athletes. I also know someone who earned a 21 or 22 on the ACT who played on Northwestern’s women’s lacrosse team, so I’m not surprised.

That I don't believe. Northwestern holds their athletes to much higher academic standards than most schools

Sorry. UF they are BG10. I personally know an athlete who didn’t get the score needed at Yale and ended up at Northwestern.

Anonymous wrote:Do you need to do all honors/AP courses to be recruited as an Ivy athlete? Or is grade level with decent grandes enough? I was thinking honors/AP but maybe lower grades and a 1200+ SAT score.

The latter. For MIT, it's the former.

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Anonymous wrote:Note that a lot of athletes just need to hit a certain score. So while your kid might get a 1470 and take it a few more times to get over 1500, an athlete will be told that is good enough and stop trying, even if with more studying and attempts they could do better.

Yep, my kid did 34 on first ACT and called it quits. Coach said, “no need to try for a 35 or 36.”

Unless they intended to apply to MIT, UChicago, etc the coach was right.

Do you need to do all honors/AP courses to be recruited as an Ivy athlete? Or is grade level with decent grandes enough? I was thinking honors/AP but maybe lower grades and a 1200+ SAT score.