Anonymous
04/22/2025 17:58
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.
Hope you're next.
Anonymous
04/22/2025 17:56
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Study after study shows that, despite what the Trump administration pretends, illegal immigrants are actually less likely to commit crimes than US citizens.
Here are a couple studies:
Light, M. T., Miller, T. R., & Massoglia, M. (2017). Immigration and Crime: Assessing a Contentious Issue. Annual Review of Criminology, 1(1), 385-408.
* highlights the lower crime rates among immigrants.
Nowrasteh, A. (2020). Illegal Immigrants and Crime—What the Evidence Shows. Cato Institute.
* undocumented immigrants have lower crime rates than native-born Americans.
Here are a couple studies:
Light, M. T., Miller, T. R., & Massoglia, M. (2017). Immigration and Crime: Assessing a Contentious Issue. Annual Review of Criminology, 1(1), 385-408.
* highlights the lower crime rates among immigrants.
Nowrasteh, A. (2020). Illegal Immigrants and Crime—What the Evidence Shows. Cato Institute.
* undocumented immigrants have lower crime rates than native-born Americans.
Anonymous
04/22/2025 17:39
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.
He does this to an “illegal alien” (but does have to show he’s illegal, because no due process)
So, he does it to someone here legally (who can’t prove they are here legally)
So, he does it to you and says you are here illegally (and you have not opportunity to prove you are a citizen)
We can take Trumps word for the fact everyone is here illegally and deportable. Despite the fact he and his appointees can’t keep reporters off chats that include war plans or keep track of a purse with $3000, a PIV card and a passport. But, let’s go out on a limb here and say he occasionally makes mistakes. Some of those mistakes are legal permanent residents. Some are US citizens. None of them get the chance to challenge anything before they are put on a plane and dumped in CECOT. And when the inevitable mistake happens, as it already has, he says “opppsss. Still leaving them there”.
That’s why you need due process. To prevent US citizens from being dumped into El Salvadoran he11holes with no recourse.
Due process I’d your recourse.
Trump is not right. And if he can’t process the immigrants he wants to deport, he should stop firing immigration judges.
A short review of documents is all that is needed. Not a trial and endless appeals.
They aren't even decent enough for that!!
The problem where do we detain everyone until we can do the "short review of documents." They are still coming in at an untenable rate - even if Trump hadn't fired any judges, how do we process (and mostly deport) all of these people without setting them loose into the country and asking them to pinky swear they will appear?
Most of them need not be detained. They were living here peacefully. They are band have been capable of showing up to court proceedings.
Anonymous
04/22/2025 17:39
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.
He does this to an “illegal alien” (but does have to show he’s illegal, because no due process)
So, he does it to someone here legally (who can’t prove they are here legally)
So, he does it to you and says you are here illegally (and you have not opportunity to prove you are a citizen)
We can take Trumps word for the fact everyone is here illegally and deportable. Despite the fact he and his appointees can’t keep reporters off chats that include war plans or keep track of a purse with $3000, a PIV card and a passport. But, let’s go out on a limb here and say he occasionally makes mistakes. Some of those mistakes are legal permanent residents. Some are US citizens. None of them get the chance to challenge anything before they are put on a plane and dumped in CECOT. And when the inevitable mistake happens, as it already has, he says “opppsss. Still leaving them there”.
That’s why you need due process. To prevent US citizens from being dumped into El Salvadoran he11holes with no recourse.
Due process I’d your recourse.
Trump is not right. And if he can’t process the immigrants he wants to deport, he should stop firing immigration judges.
A short review of documents is all that is needed. Not a trial and endless appeals.
They aren't even decent enough for that!!
The problem where do we detain everyone until we can do the "short review of documents." They are still coming in at an untenable rate - even if Trump hadn't fired any judges, how do we process (and mostly deport) all of these people without setting them loose into the country and asking them to pinky swear they will appear?
By putting a monitor on them, detaining them or hiring more judges. Again, the Constitution— not option when it inconveniences you.
Also— border crossings? Right now down to 100-300 people a day. (And fewer if you consider family units). If we stop firing immigration judges, that’s very manageable. Do you have any idea how many claim SSA ALJs process (with 10-20 page opinions)?
Anonymous
04/22/2025 17:20
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.
He does this to an “illegal alien” (but does have to show he’s illegal, because no due process)
So, he does it to someone here legally (who can’t prove they are here legally)
So, he does it to you and says you are here illegally (and you have not opportunity to prove you are a citizen)
We can take Trumps word for the fact everyone is here illegally and deportable. Despite the fact he and his appointees can’t keep reporters off chats that include war plans or keep track of a purse with $3000, a PIV card and a passport. But, let’s go out on a limb here and say he occasionally makes mistakes. Some of those mistakes are legal permanent residents. Some are US citizens. None of them get the chance to challenge anything before they are put on a plane and dumped in CECOT. And when the inevitable mistake happens, as it already has, he says “opppsss. Still leaving them there”.
That’s why you need due process. To prevent US citizens from being dumped into El Salvadoran he11holes with no recourse.
Due process I’d your recourse.
Trump is not right. And if he can’t process the immigrants he wants to deport, he should stop firing immigration judges.
A short review of documents is all that is needed. Not a trial and endless appeals.
They aren't even decent enough for that!!
The problem where do we detain everyone until we can do the "short review of documents." They are still coming in at an untenable rate - even if Trump hadn't fired any judges, how do we process (and mostly deport) all of these people without setting them loose into the country and asking them to pinky swear they will appear?
Anonymous
04/22/2025 16:19
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
I do love people who think the Constitution is optional. Except 2A which was apparently handed down by God.
Anonymous
04/22/2025 16:18
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.
He does this to an “illegal alien” (but does have to show he’s illegal, because no due process)
So, he does it to someone here legally (who can’t prove they are here legally)
So, he does it to you and says you are here illegally (and you have not opportunity to prove you are a citizen)
We can take Trumps word for the fact everyone is here illegally and deportable. Despite the fact he and his appointees can’t keep reporters off chats that include war plans or keep track of a purse with $3000, a PIV card and a passport. But, let’s go out on a limb here and say he occasionally makes mistakes. Some of those mistakes are legal permanent residents. Some are US citizens. None of them get the chance to challenge anything before they are put on a plane and dumped in CECOT. And when the inevitable mistake happens, as it already has, he says “opppsss. Still leaving them there”.
That’s why you need due process. To prevent US citizens from being dumped into El Salvadoran he11holes with no recourse.
Due process I’d your recourse.
Trump is not right. And if he can’t process the immigrants he wants to deport, he should stop firing immigration judges.
A short review of documents is all that is needed. Not a trial and endless appeals.
They aren't even decent enough for that!!
Anonymous
04/22/2025 16:17
Subject: Re:Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:I am sorry I don't quite understand how can an illegal immigrant can be turned about away at the border with zero due process but somehow if they make it into the country there has to be due process in order to deport them? Outside of validating their status what else should we need to do?
It isn't our fault you don't "quite understand" the Constitution. It is very clear and the Supreme Court has upheld due process for ALL PERSONS many times.
In any case, for God's sake can you at least admit that people should not be sent to a concentration camp without due process??? Deporting is one thing, sending to CECOT is another.
ANd don't start with the "Maduro wouldn't take them" bull$hit. Maduro has been open to accepting deported Venezuelans for a month and Trump tried to send a new flight to El Salvador this weekend.
Anonymous
04/22/2025 15:49
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because we need more than “she’s illegal, trusts me, dude” before we dump someone in El Salvador. On the off chance they are here legally, or are a citizen, they have the right to show someone the documentation proving that.
In the end, it isn’t to protect people here illegally. They are going back— somewhere. It’s to protect you and me and everyone who is here legally from the government making a mistake.
That sounds nice, but let’s be honest: it’s not the real reason. The real reason is to delay, delay, delay and wait a few years and hope the next administration lets them stay even though we all know they’re illegal.
My three years of law school (including a year on constitutional law), and bars in 3 states say you’re wrong. And, that if Trump funded immigration Judges instead of firing them, there would not be delay, delay, delay.
Anonymous
04/22/2025 15:49
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:Biden let in more than a million people from Veneuzela, non green card. Some TPS, some parole, some CHNV.
He didn't "let them in" - he followed the US and international law. Processing people claiming asylum takes time. It would take less time if there were more administrative judges available to hear the cases and make designations to grant or deport. "for some reason" Trump opposed having more judges and got the GOP to opposed their own bill authorizing them. If people are here too long, it is because of the GOP, who at least 4 times, thwarted efforts to expand the administrative infrastructure in our country.
Anonymous
04/22/2025 15:43
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because we need more than “she’s illegal, trusts me, dude” before we dump someone in El Salvador. On the off chance they are here legally, or are a citizen, they have the right to show someone the documentation proving that.
In the end, it isn’t to protect people here illegally. They are going back— somewhere. It’s to protect you and me and everyone who is here legally from the government making a mistake.
That sounds nice, but let’s be honest: it’s not the real reason. The real reason is to delay, delay, delay and wait a few years and hope the next administration lets them stay even though we all know they’re illegal.
The real reason is that it's literally Constitutional law and how the Supreme Court has interpreted our constitution articles 5 and 14, historically
*Amendments 5 and 14, not articles
Anonymous
04/22/2025 15:42
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because we need more than “she’s illegal, trusts me, dude” before we dump someone in El Salvador. On the off chance they are here legally, or are a citizen, they have the right to show someone the documentation proving that.
In the end, it isn’t to protect people here illegally. They are going back— somewhere. It’s to protect you and me and everyone who is here legally from the government making a mistake.
That sounds nice, but let’s be honest: it’s not the real reason. The real reason is to delay, delay, delay and wait a few years and hope the next administration lets them stay even though we all know they’re illegal.
The real reason is that it's literally Constitutional law and how the Supreme Court has interpreted our constitution articles 5 and 14, historically
Anonymous
04/22/2025 15:40
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:Because we need more than “she’s illegal, trusts me, dude” before we dump someone in El Salvador. On the off chance they are here legally, or are a citizen, they have the right to show someone the documentation proving that.
In the end, it isn’t to protect people here illegally. They are going back— somewhere. It’s to protect you and me and everyone who is here legally from the government making a mistake.
That sounds nice, but let’s be honest: it’s not the real reason. The real reason is to delay, delay, delay and wait a few years and hope the next administration lets them stay even though we all know they’re illegal.
Anonymous
04/22/2025 15:34
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:Biden let in more than a million people from Veneuzela, non green card. Some TPS, some parole, some CHNV.
And?
Anonymous
04/22/2025 15:33
Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"
Anonymous wrote:Trump also fired a dozen immigration judges.
All part of the plan.