Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 19:02     Subject: ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I voted for Harris, hate the Orange Cheeto and even I think she should have gotten out of the car. They were calm & patient with her. It had obviously been going on for awhile before the daughter started filming.


+1 People need to obey laws and do what police ask.


People have certain protections under the law, including the 4th amendment which protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. For example, the police can't enter your home if you don't invite them in unless they have a warrant or believe someone is in imminent danger.


If a police officer orders you to step out of the vehicle, you are legally required to cooperate. The police can tell someone to step out of their car for any reason. There is Supreme Court case law (Pennsylvania v. Mimms, 1977) that gives cops the authority to do this. Any decent lawyer with half a brain would tell someone that’s been pulled over to cooperate with the police and not resist. If a police officer tells you to step out and you refuse, you will be forcibly removed from the vehicle and arrested. If you roll up the window, they will break it open and proceed to arrest you. Needless to say, if you’re pulled over and told to step out of the car, just do it. The place to argue is the courtroom, not the side of the road. Noncompliance won’t get you anywhere but jail.


That is only partially correct. During what is known as a Terry stop, the police can order you to leave the vehicle, and you must. However, a prerequisite is that the have to stopped and detained you legally first. They cannot pull you over without probable cause, which is reasonable articulable suspicion (RAS) that you have committed a crime, are currently committing a crime, or are about to commit a crime. So if there was no RAS of a crime, then there was no legal Terry detention. Then they cannot order you out of the car. Then the entire thing is a violation of the 4th Amendment.


So what you are saying is that idiots voted for Trump and Biden and here we are in 2025 with this gray area of when and how it's constitutional to apprehend and deport undocumented migrants. Way to go America!
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 18:52     Subject: ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I voted for Harris, hate the Orange Cheeto and even I think she should have gotten out of the car. They were calm & patient with her. It had obviously been going on for awhile before the daughter started filming.


+1 People need to obey laws and do what police ask.


People have certain protections under the law, including the 4th amendment which protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. For example, the police can't enter your home if you don't invite them in unless they have a warrant or believe someone is in imminent danger.


If a police officer orders you to step out of the vehicle, you are legally required to cooperate. The police can tell someone to step out of their car for any reason. There is Supreme Court case law (Pennsylvania v. Mimms, 1977) that gives cops the authority to do this. Any decent lawyer with half a brain would tell someone that’s been pulled over to cooperate with the police and not resist. If a police officer tells you to step out and you refuse, you will be forcibly removed from the vehicle and arrested. If you roll up the window, they will break it open and proceed to arrest you. Needless to say, if you’re pulled over and told to step out of the car, just do it. The place to argue is the courtroom, not the side of the road. Noncompliance won’t get you anywhere but jail.


That is only partially correct. During what is known as a Terry stop, the police can order you to leave the vehicle, and you must. However, a prerequisite is that the have to stopped and detained you legally first. They cannot pull you over without probable cause, which is reasonable articulable suspicion (RAS) that you have committed a crime, are currently committing a crime, or are about to commit a crime. So if there was no RAS of a crime, then there was no legal Terry detention. Then they cannot order you out of the car. Then the entire thing is a violation of the 4th Amendment.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 18:42     Subject: Re:ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump but why are so many people overstaying their visas? It's because people have been allowed to openly violate our laws for the past twenty-five years. Trump ran on enforcing immigration laws and that is a big part of why he won.


Pros and cons to freedom. I’d rather people overstay their visa than live in a police state.


Same. These men should be shamed smashing her window. Reprehensible.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 18:40     Subject: ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:WTF???

Is this legal???

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-woman-arrest-ice-immigration-el-salvador-berrios/

I can't believe it. Watch the video. It's heartbreaking. Horrifying.

I don't speak much Spanish, but it appears they didn't have a judicial warrant.

OMG. This is our country????


This is what happens when the idiot American voters elect the second worst POTUS ever who opens the southern border day one "pending" Congressional legislation to "fix" the border/immigration problem which never happens and then four years later these same idiot American voters elect the worst POTUS ever who goes after innocent better life seeking people in an inhumane way.

Do better people!! This is disgusting.


Trump monies the worst politician this country has ever had


The American people asked for poop and they got poop. We must do better.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 18:40     Subject: ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
I don’t know.

I have dealt with police directly before. It gets uncomfortable. Guess what many many Americans have. It is tense. It is these bc the officers are trying to engage —and the person wants to keep doing whatever they were doing before police arrive.

So yes… Although it is inherently undignified— it does not make it improper or illegal. Yes, it’s unpleasant. But people don’t normally walk over immediately and turn themselves in. They just don’t. People who steal don’t suddenly grow a conscious and put back the money either.

I am not sure if a campaign of detentions makes us a “police state.” Not yet anyway. I am not seeing it yet. I am seeing detentions and involuntary flights … that’s all legal
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 18:38     Subject: ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:WTF???

Is this legal???

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-woman-arrest-ice-immigration-el-salvador-berrios/

I can't believe it. Watch the video. It's heartbreaking. Horrifying.

I don't speak much Spanish, but it appears they didn't have a judicial warrant.

OMG. This is our country????


This is what happens when the idiot American voters elect the second worst POTUS ever who opens the southern border day one "pending" Congressional legislation to "fix" the border/immigration problem which never happens and then four years later these same idiot American voters elect the worst POTUS ever who goes after innocent better life seeking people in an inhumane way.

Do better people!! This is disgusting.


Trump monies the worst politician this country has ever had
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 18:37     Subject: ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:WTF???

Is this legal???

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-woman-arrest-ice-immigration-el-salvador-berrios/

I can't believe it. Watch the video. It's heartbreaking. Horrifying.

I don't speak much Spanish, but it appears they didn't have a judicial warrant.

OMG. This is our country????


It's definitely Breaking and Entering? ICE bastard hoodlums.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 18:31     Subject: ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:WTF???

Is this legal???

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-woman-arrest-ice-immigration-el-salvador-berrios/

I can't believe it. Watch the video. It's heartbreaking. Horrifying.

I don't speak much Spanish, but it appears they didn't have a judicial warrant.

OMG. This is our country????


This is what happens when the idiot American voters elect the second worst POTUS ever who opens the southern border day one "pending" Congressional legislation to "fix" the border/immigration problem which never happens and then four years later these same idiot American voters elect the worst POTUS ever who goes after innocent better life seeking people in an inhumane way.

Do better people!! This is disgusting.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 18:23     Subject: Re:ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump but why are so many people overstaying their visas? It's because people have been allowed to openly violate our laws for the past twenty-five years. Trump ran on enforcing immigration laws and that is a big part of why he won.


Pros and cons to freedom. I’d rather people overstay their visa than live in a police state.

100%
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 18:05     Subject: ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:WTF???

Is this legal???

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-woman-arrest-ice-immigration-el-salvador-berrios/

I can't believe it. Watch the video. It's heartbreaking. Horrifying.

I don't speak much Spanish, but it appears they didn't have a judicial warrant.

OMG. This is our country????


OP: You need to get on youtube. Local Stste Police -nearly all- have cameras on their uniform. This is procedure. It also shows you how to remain calm.

Maybe we can pass a congressional law asking for federal police force body cams That is pretty reasonable
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 18:03     Subject: ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I voted for Harris, hate the Orange Cheeto and even I think she should have gotten out of the car. They were calm & patient with her. It had obviously been going on for awhile before the daughter started filming.


+1 People need to obey laws and do what police ask.


People have certain protections under the law, including the 4th amendment which protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. For example, the police can't enter your home if you don't invite them in unless they have a warrant or believe someone is in imminent danger.


If a police officer orders you to step out of the vehicle, you are legally required to cooperate. The police can tell someone to step out of their car for any reason. There is Supreme Court case law (Pennsylvania v. Mimms, 1977) that gives cops the authority to do this. Any decent lawyer with half a brain would tell someone that’s been pulled over to cooperate with the police and not resist. If a police officer tells you to step out and you refuse, you will be forcibly removed from the vehicle and arrested. If you roll up the window, they will break it open and proceed to arrest you. Needless to say, if you’re pulled over and told to step out of the car, just do it. The place to argue is the courtroom, not the side of the road. Noncompliance won’t get you anywhere but jail.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 18:02     Subject: Re:ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump but why are so many people overstaying their visas? It's because people have been allowed to openly violate our laws for the past twenty-five years. Trump ran on enforcing immigration laws and that is a big part of why he won.


+1 yes. Those who are here illegally have the option of self deporting.


People can watch “blue cam” on youtube. Hundreds of traffic stop arrests online. Many are stops of impaired drivers. A number of them refused and get the window-break. It’s a known thing this lady was calm

From the videos on line Most young and old ladies are not calm at all. Men are oddly more calm. You can learn a lot through recorded police videos online .
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 18:01     Subject: Re:ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump but why are so many people overstaying their visas? It's because people have been allowed to openly violate our laws for the past twenty-five years. Trump ran on enforcing immigration laws and that is a big part of why he won.


Pros and cons to freedom. I’d rather people overstay their visa than live in a police state.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 17:57     Subject: ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I voted for Harris, hate the Orange Cheeto and even I think she should have gotten out of the car. They were calm & patient with her. It had obviously been going on for awhile before the daughter started filming.


+1 People need to obey laws and do what police ask.


People have certain protections under the law, including the 4th amendment which protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. For example, the police can't enter your home if you don't invite them in unless they have a warrant or believe someone is in imminent danger.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2025 17:49     Subject: Re:ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD
Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump but why are so many people overstaying their visas? It's because people have been allowed to openly violate our laws for the past twenty-five years. Trump ran on enforcing immigration laws and that is a big part of why he won.


+1 yes. Those who are here illegally have the option of self deporting.