Anonymous
04/10/2025 14:38
Subject: Re:Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:God almighty. The anger
She’s been on a bender the past few days.
Nobody gives a sh@t. I have an Ivy kid and a state school kid and it truly doesn’t matter.
Why feel so inadequate and crazy?
Anonymous
04/10/2025 14:37
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:For those of you who swear non ivy T25s like Washu, Emory, Vanderbilt, Rice are less prestigious than ivys please explain the Salary differences for 2023 grads
Yale
$88,464
https://cdn.ocs.yale.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/77/2025/01/Final-Class-of-2023-Report-6-months.pdf
Cornell
$84,000
https://ccs.career.cornell.edu/dash/dashboard_employment
Princeton
$89,144(mean) $60,000 median
https://projects.dailyprincetonian.com/senior-survey-2023/after-princeton.html
Emory
$82,100
https://apply.emory.edu/discover/facts-stats/after-graduation.html
Washu
$85,000
https://careers.wustl.edu/outcomes/#!eWVhcj0yMDIz
Vanderbilt
$85,000
https://www.vanderbilt.edu/career/career-outcomes/
Rice
$87,000
https://ccd.rice.edu/about/annual-report
These seem like Ivy level numbers to me. And a reminder that Emory doesn't have Engineering. Vandy, Rice, and Emory are all in the South as well.
Plumbers and electricians make more than this. I think Ace Tech Institute (Teaches HVAC, Plumbing, etc) should be right up there.
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:30
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP doesn't know what the word "prestige" means.
An electrical lineman might make $250k a year, and it's a cool job. But it is not "prestigious".
+1 Salary doesn't equal prestige.
A professor teaching your kid may make 150K a year. A government employee influencing US health policy at NIH may make 175K a year. A Pulitzer prize winning journalist may make 80k a year. A person running an NGO saving lives may make 60K a year. These are prestigious jobs that get the most talented thinkers, in my opinion. You're more likely to get them coming out of an Ivy than Rice (although Rice is also a good school). But if you equate prestige only to $, enjoy your life choices. You can make even more money selling drugs, and even though that's illegal, that's "prestigious" by the OP's definition.
This is moving the goal posts these grads are all getting similar types of jobs. Most go into finance or consulting of some sort. This is a Deloitte vs BCG type of difference.
More than a third of Princeton grads are headed to a nonprofit organization or government. Only 17% percent go to finance or consulting. That alone explains a huge component of the difference at 22. The question is the long game. Teach for America to Senate Staff to Senator is a long road but it is more prestigious and more "useful" that someone who grinds their way up the ladder at Deloitte.
Maybe it’s me, but I feel that finance people are benefiting themselves more than society.
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:27
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:more than half the kids at yale pay full fare. they dont really need a lucrative job out of the gate. they can play a longer game.
SUNY Maritime and Coast Guard Academy have great starting salaries. I guess that's the height of prestige for you.
Nope. Yale and almost all ivies have been under 50% full pay for multiple years now. Need based aid is provided to over half on purpose: they want to be able to say the majority get financial aid, and they advertise/are proud of it on admissions talks/tours
Nope.
Per last CDS:
6798 undergrads at Yale
2929 were determined to have financial need. (3920 applied for FA)
The average FA package was over 70k. So.. plenty of students are attending for a great price. But many more - in fact most students at Yale - are on the hook for the rack rate.
I'm sorry if you heard something else on the tour. I didn't. And I have a kid at Yale. But maybe you did.
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:24
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP doesn't know what the word "prestige" means.
An electrical lineman might make $250k a year, and it's a cool job. But it is not "prestigious".
+1 Salary doesn't equal prestige.
A professor teaching your kid may make 150K a year. A government employee influencing US health policy at NIH may make 175K a year. A Pulitzer prize winning journalist may make 80k a year. A person running an NGO saving lives may make 60K a year. These are prestigious jobs that get the most talented thinkers, in my opinion. You're more likely to get them coming out of an Ivy than Rice (although Rice is also a good school). But if you equate prestige only to $, enjoy your life choices. You can make even more money selling drugs, and even though that's illegal, that's "prestigious" by the OP's definition.
This is moving the goal posts these grads are all getting similar types of jobs. Most go into finance or consulting of some sort. This is a Deloitte vs BCG type of difference.
More than a third of Princeton grads are headed to a nonprofit organization or government. Only 17% percent go to finance or consulting. That alone explains a huge component of the difference at 22. The question is the long game. Teach for America to Senate Staff to Senator is a long road but it is more prestigious and more "useful" that someone who grinds their way up the ladder at Deloitte.
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:24
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm not an Ivy grad, nor do I have Ivy aspirations for my kids, but MY GOD the level of insecurity it takes to compile this data, care about it, and create a post.
This is unhinged. I am begging you to go outside and get some sunshine.
This took 5 min on chatgpt. Get with the times old man.
The same chat GPT that led Trump to place a tariff on islands inhabited by penguins? Why don't you at least use a legit ranking OP. The top 5 are MIT, Princeton, Annapolis, Harvey Mudd and Babson. The colleges you mention don't break the top 10.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/12/this-college-has-the-highest-paid-graduates-its-not-an-ivy-league-school.html
This is not a ranking, it's a comparison of 3 ivys to 4 top non ivys.
Can't you read? They look at data for 1503 colleges.
https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/bachelors/page/61
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:23
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Professional boxers make more money than all of them... and they get punched in the head for a living 🙄
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:22
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP doesn't know what the word "prestige" means.
An electrical lineman might make $250k a year, and it's a cool job. But it is not "prestigious".
+1 Salary doesn't equal prestige.
A professor teaching your kid may make 150K a year. A government employee influencing US health policy at NIH may make 175K a year. A Pulitzer prize winning journalist may make 80k a year. A person running an NGO saving lives may make 60K a year. These are prestigious jobs that get the most talented thinkers, in my opinion. You're more likely to get them coming out of an Ivy than Rice (although Rice is also a good school). But if you equate prestige only to $, enjoy your life choices. You can make even more money selling drugs, and even though that's illegal, that's "prestigious" by the OP's definition.
This is moving the goal posts these grads are all getting similar types of jobs. Most go into finance or consulting of some sort. This is a Deloitte vs BCG type of difference.
It's not moving the goal posts. You're looking at average data, and you've decided that because Rice grads make more on average than some Ivy grads that they have jobs of greater prestige.
I did not look at the data, but I would take an educated guess that a higher share of Ivy grads are pursuing doctorates than Vanderbilt grads. So when you conflate income with success or prestige, because the Harvard grads are being a post-doc somewhere for 50K a year and bringing down the income average, you're missing the fact that the post-doc may one day win a Nobel Prize finding a cure for cancer, which is a lot more prestigious than working for Deloitte.
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:19
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No, YOU have some explaining to do, OP.
Why do you care so much?
99.99% of people don't care at all. Particularly those in the named institutions.
I’m not OP but if OP has a LOT of explaining to do, so do a lot of posters!
This exactly! The DCUM hates Emory yet has outcomes like that with no engineering. People saying WashU isn't prestigious yet grads make more than Cornell.
Yep. Always going to be a lot of ignorant, narrow minded posters
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:15
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:more than half the kids at yale pay full fare. they dont really need a lucrative job out of the gate. they can play a longer game.
SUNY Maritime and Coast Guard Academy have great starting salaries. I guess that's the height of prestige for you.
Nope. Yale and almost all ivies have been under 50% full pay for multiple years now. Need based aid is provided to over half on purpose: they want to be able to say the majority get financial aid, and they advertise/are proud of it on admissions talks/tours
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:14
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No, YOU have some explaining to do, OP.
Why do you care so much?
99.99% of people don't care at all. Particularly those in the named institutions.
I’m not OP but if OP has a LOT of explaining to do, so do a lot of posters!
This exactly! The DCUM hates Emory yet has outcomes like that with no engineering. People saying WashU isn't prestigious yet grads make more than Cornell.
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:11
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm not an Ivy grad, nor do I have Ivy aspirations for my kids, but MY GOD the level of insecurity it takes to compile this data, care about it, and create a post.
This is unhinged. I am begging you to go outside and get some sunshine.
This took 5 min on chatgpt. Get with the times old man.
The same chat GPT that led Trump to place a tariff on islands inhabited by penguins? Why don't you at least use a legit ranking OP. The top 5 are MIT, Princeton, Annapolis, Harvey Mudd and Babson. The colleges you mention don't break the top 10.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/12/this-college-has-the-highest-paid-graduates-its-not-an-ivy-league-school.html
This is not a ranking, it's a comparison of 3 ivys to 4 top non ivys.
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:08
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
What the hell is going on with Princeton?
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:06
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:
No, YOU have some explaining to do, OP.
Why do you care so much?
99.99% of people don't care at all. Particularly those in the named institutions.
I’m not OP but if OP has a LOT of explaining to do, so do a lot of posters!
Anonymous
04/10/2025 13:05
Subject: Ivy Strivers have explaining to do
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm not an Ivy grad, nor do I have Ivy aspirations for my kids, but MY GOD the level of insecurity it takes to compile this data, care about it, and create a post.
This is unhinged. I am begging you to go outside and get some sunshine.
This took 5 min on chatgpt. Get with the times old man.
The same chat GPT that led Trump to place a tariff on islands inhabited by penguins? Why don't you at least use a legit ranking OP. The top 5 are MIT, Princeton, Annapolis, Harvey Mudd and Babson. The colleges you mention don't break the top 10.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/12/this-college-has-the-highest-paid-graduates-its-not-an-ivy-league-school.html