Being sober signals self-control and discipline. Status obsessed strivers are obsessed with signaling they’re better than you. And health conscious has been very big among UMC and rich - fitness, Ozempic and other help from dermatologists, eating expensive organic food and supplements. Walking, hiking, and everyone wearing luxury yoga and form fitting active-wear on a near daily basis. Sobriety is a natural evolution of all of those trends. Being overweight with a bloated face is basically a prole tell at this point. Smart people aren’t duped by booze industry propaganda on commercials and in shows and movies.

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Anonymous wrote:Drinking down. Weed through the roof!

Maybe among the lower class. I don’t know anyone UMC or rich who is regularly using weed or edibles outside of maybe once as a gag while on vacation or something.

The cannabis lobby is 100% behind this new temperance movement. Didn't think they had it in them to take on the alcohol lobby, but that is what is happening.

Anonymous wrote:The 0% beers are so much better than back in the day.

+1 but I don’t understand why so many restaurants only carry Heineken 0% when there are so many other more interesting ones.

Anonymous wrote:As a sober person I don’t get mocktails? They’re just high calorie drinks. I also don’t think they complement food the way wine does. I’d rather have a dessert than drink my calories.

I like mocktails because sometimes after a dinner out I want to stay out with the gang and have a sparkly, colorful drink, not just water. I do wish they would work to find less sugary mocktails, though. The Phony Negroni is my go to as it's not overly sweet.

I find I'm more anxious when I drink. Given everything going on, I don't need more anxiety.

Anonymous wrote:Our Sec. of Defense is a drunk.

People who drink are weird / MAGA.

Actually higher SES and liberal inclinations are associated with higher wine consumption. Maybe beer drinkers are more likely to be MAGA.

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Anonymous wrote:As the wife of an alcoholic, this would be good news. We all know prohibition doesn't work, but alcohol use disorder is a terrible disease.

Prohibition didn’t work? Please explain?

Alcohol was made illegal. People who possessed, made, transported or consumed alcohol were made into criminals. That was exactly the intent of the law. To create new criminals.

Prohibition worked exactly as it was intended to.

It doesn't work to create sobriety. I believe Temperance Unions were well-meant, but prohibition didn't accomplish their ends and everyone knew it.

Anonymous wrote:Drinking down. Weed through the roof!

Maybe among the lower class. I don’t know anyone UMC or rich who is regularly using weed or edibles outside of maybe once as a gag while on vacation or something.

Anonymous wrote:As a sober person I don’t get mocktails? They’re just high calorie drinks. I also don’t think they complement food the way wine does. I’d rather have a dessert than drink my calories.

What’s to get is they are presumably the highest margin item on a menu. It’s like 20 cents in sugar water for $8 to $12.

For some people, especially if a former federal employee, it’s a choice of either getting beer or paying the utility bill.

Anonymous wrote:As a sober person I don’t get mocktails? They’re just high calorie drinks. I also don’t think they complement food the way wine does. I’d rather have a dessert than drink my calories.

+1, mocktails are abysmally stupid.

Anonymous wrote:Our Sec. of Defense is a drunk.

People who drink are weird / MAGA.

Leftists drink more (as a group) than any other people I know. A fair amount of conservatives abstain or consume very little alcohol because many are religious, and a smaller proportion of them are former straight-edge kids who are now adults.

Anonymous wrote:As the wife of an alcoholic, this would be good news. We all know prohibition doesn't work, but alcohol use disorder is a terrible disease.

Prohibition didn’t work? Please explain?

Alcohol was made illegal. People who possessed, made, transported or consumed alcohol were made into criminals. That was exactly the intent of the law. To create new criminals.

Prohibition worked exactly as it was intended to.

As a sober person I don’t get mocktails? They’re just high calorie drinks. I also don’t think they complement food the way wine does. I’d rather have a dessert than drink my calories.

Our Sec. of Defense is a drunk.

People who drink are weird / MAGA.