Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:30
Subject: Is green card marriage fraud common?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?
Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.
So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!
I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.
Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?
The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"
I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.
I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.
The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.
NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.
I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.
IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.
It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions." You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified.
I went to grad school in the US on an F1 student visa. International students make up what, 5%, at most of the entire college student population in America. And they're more common in grad school than in undergrad, for the very pertinent reason that most undergrads in other countries are much more affordable than here; whereas US grad schools are better funded than others, so if people want to go into research, they like to come here to do it. It's a brain drain that works in America's favor, because most Americans who have paid a mint for college don't really want to go into publicly-funded research, vs med school or biotech, etc.
So.
Even if you oust ALL the international undergrads, your kid doesn't have a much better chance of getting in.
PP you're responding. I know that and there have already been a couple of threads on this which i do not wish to revisit. I was commenting on the fact that a year ago no one would have started them, but now...
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:30
Subject: Re:Is green card marriage fraud common?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I bet every single person responding "yes, it is very common" doesn't ACTUALLY know anyone who got married just for a green card. This uninformed nonsense has to stop.
No, it is not common. Yes, it does happen.
I worked for a few years in a third world country, and it was so dangerous that I could only leave the compound in an armed vehicle. My driver had a sister in a green card marriage in San Fran, and we had another local worker in the compound whose brother was in the US in a green card marriage even though he had another wife at home. These guys talked about these things openly. It is super common in ethnic communities from this country in the US and UK. They have a whole industry of corrupt “agents” who help young men from this place get into the UK, but there is also a thriving tradition of marrying cousins already in the UK to get more of the family there. This is all very real and kind of shocking that it is so blatant.
You're such a liar. There are much easier ways to implement chain immigration than marriage. USCIS investigates green card requests from married non-citizens extremely thoroughly.
Thank goodness DCUM has educated, knowledgeable people who can shoot down your claims. It's sad that you might be successfully spreading this sort of misinformation online in places where people aren't armed with enough knowledge to combat your propaganda.
I am not lying! It is true. Sorry if that offends you.
I didn’t say anything about “chain immigration”: I said what I had observed about green card marriage and some other illegal manners of immigration. This was something I had never seen before and would not have believed if I had not lived in that place either. Oh, and I have also lived in Eastern Europe, and while I saw the “marriage tours” of loser Western men coming to Kyiv to buy a pretty wife, that wasn’t quite the same thing.
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:28
Subject: Is green card marriage fraud common?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?
Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.
So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!
I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.
Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?
The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"
I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.
I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.
The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.
NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.
I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.
IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.
It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions." You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified.
I went to grad school in the US on an F1 student visa. International students make up what, 5%, at most of the entire college student population in America. And they're more common in grad school than in undergrad, for the very pertinent reason that most undergrads in other countries are much more affordable than here; whereas US grad schools are better funded than others, so if people want to go into research, they like to come here to do it. It's a brain drain that works in America's favor, because most Americans who have paid a mint for college don't really want to go into publicly-funded research, vs med school or biotech, etc.
So.
Even if you oust ALL the international undergrads, your kid doesn't have a much better chance of getting in.
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:26
Subject: Is green card marriage fraud common?
Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?
Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.
So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!
To El Salvador gulag for you
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:26
Subject: Is green card marriage fraud common?
90 day fiancé; sure, Love is a bonus but really these people just want out of their respective countries.
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:24
Subject: Re:Is green card marriage fraud common?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I bet every single person responding "yes, it is very common" doesn't ACTUALLY know anyone who got married just for a green card. This uninformed nonsense has to stop.
No, it is not common. Yes, it does happen.
I worked for a few years in a third world country, and it was so dangerous that I could only leave the compound in an armed vehicle. My driver had a sister in a green card marriage in San Fran, and we had another local worker in the compound whose brother was in the US in a green card marriage even though he had another wife at home. These guys talked about these things openly. It is super common in ethnic communities from this country in the US and UK. They have a whole industry of corrupt “agents” who help young men from this place get into the UK, but there is also a thriving tradition of marrying cousins already in the UK to get more of the family there. This is all very real and kind of shocking that it is so blatant.
And yet you don't know not to use the phrase "third world"? Ok.
It’s true. Sorry I’m not politically correct enough for you, but it is NOT a “developing country.” There is no development happening there. It was hellish and I hated being there.
But that doesn’t change the truth is what I said here. I was truly shocked at how common marriage and immigration fraud are from this place. Whole extended families save up and pay for a son to go illegally to the UK or US and talk about it openly and proudly just as an American parent might talk about sending a kid off to college. The corruption and dishonesty on every level was truly disgusting. Also, it was always the men or boys who left, because girls and women are not very important to them.
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:24
Subject: Is green card marriage fraud common?
I know someone who came here with her parents as a child. She did this to get her citizenship. It was her boyfriend, so not some random stranger but they were young and probably wouldn’t have gotten married otherwise. Then, she sponsored her mom to get her green card. They had all overstayed their visas. I do wonder if they could be deported now.
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:23
Subject: Re:Is green card marriage fraud common?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I bet every single person responding "yes, it is very common" doesn't ACTUALLY know anyone who got married just for a green card. This uninformed nonsense has to stop.
No, it is not common. Yes, it does happen.
I worked for a few years in a third world country, and it was so dangerous that I could only leave the compound in an armed vehicle. My driver had a sister in a green card marriage in San Fran, and we had another local worker in the compound whose brother was in the US in a green card marriage even though he had another wife at home. These guys talked about these things openly. It is super common in ethnic communities from this country in the US and UK. They have a whole industry of corrupt “agents” who help young men from this place get into the UK, but there is also a thriving tradition of marrying cousins already in the UK to get more of the family there. This is all very real and kind of shocking that it is so blatant.
You're such a liar. There are much easier ways to implement chain immigration than marriage. USCIS investigates green card requests from married non-citizens extremely thoroughly.
Thank goodness DCUM has educated, knowledgeable people who can shoot down your claims. It's sad that you might be successfully spreading this sort of misinformation online in places where people aren't armed with enough knowledge to combat your propaganda.
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:21
Subject: Is green card marriage fraud common?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?
Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.
So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!
I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.
Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?
The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"
I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.
I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.
The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.
NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.
I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.
IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.
It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions." You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified.
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:19
Subject: Is green card marriage fraud common?
Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?
Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.
So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!
+1 I think this one of those things that happens on TV way more than it happens in real life, much like getting stuck in an elevator.
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:18
Subject: Re:Is green card marriage fraud common?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I bet every single person responding "yes, it is very common" doesn't ACTUALLY know anyone who got married just for a green card. This uninformed nonsense has to stop.
No, it is not common. Yes, it does happen.
I worked for a few years in a third world country, and it was so dangerous that I could only leave the compound in an armed vehicle. My driver had a sister in a green card marriage in San Fran, and we had another local worker in the compound whose brother was in the US in a green card marriage even though he had another wife at home. These guys talked about these things openly. It is super common in ethnic communities from this country in the US and UK. They have a whole industry of corrupt “agents” who help young men from this place get into the UK, but there is also a thriving tradition of marrying cousins already in the UK to get more of the family there. This is all very real and kind of shocking that it is so blatant.
And yet you don't know not to use the phrase "third world"? Ok.
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:17
Subject: Re:Is green card marriage fraud common?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I bet every single person responding "yes, it is very common" doesn't ACTUALLY know anyone who got married just for a green card. This uninformed nonsense has to stop.
No, it is not common. Yes, it does happen.
Negative. I am 4:18. I think the uninformed person might just be you.
You're the one who went to a green card wedding? So you happily participated in the fraud and scam and now you're here complaining about it?
Riiiighhhhtttt.
I mean ... they do seem pretty judgy and petty?
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:16
Subject: Is green card marriage fraud common?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?
Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.
So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!
I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.
Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?
The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"
I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.
I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.
The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.
NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.
I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:16
Subject: Is green card marriage fraud common?
As soon as Trump was inaugurated, the xenophobes on this site became a lot bolder, and new MAGA posters arrived. I've noticed this myself, and the moderator of this site has commented on this too.
So every time you see a thread purporting to recount fraud by immigrants, please stop and think that this might be entirely overblown.
Anonymous
04/02/2025 16:16
Subject: Re:Is green card marriage fraud common?
Anonymous wrote:I bet every single person responding "yes, it is very common" doesn't ACTUALLY know anyone who got married just for a green card. This uninformed nonsense has to stop.
No, it is not common. Yes, it does happen.
I worked for a few years in a third world country, and it was so dangerous that I could only leave the compound in an armed vehicle. My driver had a sister in a green card marriage in San Fran, and we had another local worker in the compound whose brother was in the US in a green card marriage even though he had another wife at home. These guys talked about these things openly. It is super common in ethnic communities from this country in the US and UK. They have a whole industry of corrupt “agents” who help young men from this place get into the UK, but there is also a thriving tradition of marrying cousins already in the UK to get more of the family there. This is all very real and kind of shocking that it is so blatant.