Anonymous wrote:I have girl, boy twins. Final apps for both are pending but my son has received admissions that his sister has not despite his grades not being as strong. Also true among their friends with average boys getting admitted over girls with perfect grades.

As a woman it makes me secretly very frustrated.

DEI for boys. What is Trump going to do about it?

So, we return to the age-old debate of how to measure academic merit, high school grades vs test scores.

How can this be?
The executive order was clear
"Section 1. Purpose. Longstanding Federal civil-rights laws protect individual Americans from discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. These civil-rights protections serve as a bedrock supporting equality of opportunity for all Americans. As President, I have a solemn duty to ensure that these laws are enforced for the benefit of all Americans."

Trump stated that they can not be discrimination based on sex.
"The Federal Government is charged with enforcing our civil-rights laws. The purpose of this order is to ensure that it does so by ending illegal preferences and discrimination."

If Trump is not there to protect these applicants who are more deserving based on merit - who will?

Please raise this up as these schools are practicing DEI and clearly making choices that benefit men.

It comes down to how much you value diversity and what type of diversity. Many examples.

It's probably harder to get into a top school applying from the DC area than from South Dakota.

It's probably harder to get in as a 40 year old than as an 18 year old.

Etc.

Anonymous wrote:I think it's definitely true at certain schools (looking at Vanderbilt below):

https://vanderbilthustler.com/2024/06/05/its-harder-for-women-to-get-into-vanderbilt-than-men-why/

Probably why girls shouldn't apply to most SLACs in RD and be more strategic.

Most shocking graph in that article is the transfer acceptance rate to Dartmouth. Sub-2% for males and females.

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Anonymous wrote:I have girl, boy twins. Final apps for both are pending but my son has received admissions that his sister has not despite his grades not being as strong. Also true among their friends with average boys getting admitted over girls with perfect grades.

As a woman it makes me secretly very frustrated.

That is until you DD is in college and now her “future husband”options are 3 out 10 students….

Join us in the 21st century, won’t you?

I'm not PP but i'm also discouraging schools with a 60/40+ split (55/45 is almost all the schools it seems so ok) as I happen to agree college is a great time to date and potentially even meet a future spouse. Although it's hopelessly old fashioned, that's where i met DH.

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Anonymous wrote:I have girl, boy twins. Final apps for both are pending but my son has received admissions that his sister has not despite his grades not being as strong. Also true among their friends with average boys getting admitted over girls with perfect grades.

As a woman it makes me secretly very frustrated.

That is until you DD is in college and now her “future husband”options are 3 out 10 students….

I’m sorry, but students are 18-22 in college. They are barely out of their teens. They are not looking for husbands.

Marriage may be too much at that age, but they likely will want to date. I cannot imagine social life at a college that is 70% female.

I don’t know many colleges 70% female. Many are 60-40, or 45-55. It’s fine. I’d much rather a little gender imbalance than social engineering and allowing less qualified students in just because they are male.

Boys enjoy the company of other males, and females enjoy female friendships. Nothing new here.

Anonymous wrote:I think it's definitely true at certain schools (looking at Vanderbilt below):

https://vanderbilthustler.com/2024/06/05/its-harder-for-women-to-get-into-vanderbilt-than-men-why/

Probably why girls shouldn't apply to most SLACs in RD and be more strategic.

Its shocking when you see them compare Michigan, to UCLA, UC-B and the others. Michigan really stands out.

WASP schools seem to have pretty even admissions rates as well

It really depends on the school. Brown has a much lower acceptance rate for females. Stanford, Princeton, and Harvard are fairly even. MIT has a much higher acceptance rate for females.

The female college applicant pool might be stronger than the male applicant pool overall. But if we look at the pool of top applicants, it's less clear. Look at the results of very competitive math and programming contests, for example.

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t this mean that the boys do worse once they are there? Are we really expecting the 2.9 test optional student to perform as well as the girls at Tulane?

Well, maybe they do OK, or maybe do worse, but maybe it doesn't matter? Maybe they still get hired at the end because workplaces also want to hire men, not just women?

Tulane already has a massively lopsided gender ratio and they need boys. The boys help them attract smart girls who want a coed school.

I think it's definitely true at certain schools (looking at Vanderbilt below):

https://vanderbilthustler.com/2024/06/05/its-harder-for-women-to-get-into-vanderbilt-than-men-why/

Probably why girls shouldn't apply to most SLACs in RD and be more strategic.

I think it's been happening for a while. I was really surprised by how well my DS, with somewhat erratic grades (a couple C's) and high test scores did in admissions.

It's a combo of there being more girls applying overall, girls getting higher grades than boys, and girls doing better than they used to on standardized tests (boys used to have more of an edge there). It's also I think that people give more grace to boys who are disorganized but have "potential" on the theory that it takes them longer to grow up. Which I think is true, actually, but girls don't get that same consideration.

I also think there is the factor that in past decades boys grew up to out-earn girls and become bigger donors to institutions. I don't know if this will hold true in the decades to come.

It seeing this at my kids’ school. More high stat boys (NMF/perfect scores/great GPAs with highest rigor/leadership ERCs) but the girls are getting better admission results. At least so far, we’ll see what this week brings.

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Anonymous wrote:I have girl, boy twins. Final apps for both are pending but my son has received admissions that his sister has not despite his grades not being as strong. Also true among their friends with average boys getting admitted over girls with perfect grades.

As a woman it makes me secretly very frustrated.

Not seeing this at Ivies where all Applicants have perfect grades.

Many private schools do not graduate anyone with perfect grades.
Therefore you have grade differentiation at the top of the class. You can have a 3.8 boy get into an Ivy and a 3.95 girl not.
I agree that in DMV publics the scenario would likely be a boy with perfect grades getting into over a girl with perfect grades