Anonymous wrote:How do many kids get high 90 in MAP R, especially 99 percent? Tutoring or extra reading? I am shocked that many gets high 90 score?

My child just loves to read. Whenever he is at home, he just reads. Or will read in the car while going to activities.
And we go to the library whenever we don't have any plans over the weekend.

How do many kids get high 90 in MAP R, especially 99 percent? Tutoring or extra reading? I am shocked that many gets high 90 score?

Anonymous wrote:DC is 99% and did not get in, so I have not told him yet. But DC understands it is a lottery and how those things work. DC main concern is that he qualified for it; getting the space meant, if it happened, would have been by chance. I think DC main interest in what they are working on is to get compact math.

Same here; my child in the 99 percentile didn't get in. Low farm school.

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Anonymous wrote:How are the kids in the same school one get 218 got in and one got 230 didn’t? This is too ridiculous.

Both are in the pool. A lottery is a selection from the pool. That’s how…

But I agree they need to expand the CES program especially if they’re doing away with how ELC as we’ve known it

They should raise the bar higher or just cancel this at elementary level. It’s too discouraging and how kids feel seeing friends scoring lower than him got picked enriched program? Life lesson at 9?!

Not sure why your kid would find it discouraging unless they don't understand what the CES program is, in which case it's your job to explain it to them. CES is not designed or intended to serve the smartest/highest scoring/etc kids. It's just a lottery for a random sampling of above-average kids who qualify for enrichment-- some kids get it at their local school and a random group of those have the option of going to a different school for it. It's not a competition and doesn't reflect on the kids in any way.

What are you talking about? It was definitely designed and intended that way, and up until the pandemic served the highest scoring kids. MCPS switched to a lottery because of a lawsuit and because they wanted to change the optics of the demographics of which students get offers. It’s now a bit of a weird situation because they have switched the local school curriculum offerings 3 times since the pandemic (Benchmark, ELC, CKLA). And schools evidently have a lot of leeway on implementation, so you don’t even know what you’re getting because there’s no consistency across the district. Imagine if there were clear communication about this!

DC is 99% and did not get in, so I have not told him yet. But DC understands it is a lottery and how those things work. DC main concern is that he qualified for it; getting the space meant, if it happened, would have been by chance. I think DC main interest in what they are working on is to get compact math.

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Anonymous wrote:How are the kids in the same school one get 218 got in and one got 230 didn’t? This is too ridiculous.

Both are in the pool. A lottery is a selection from the pool. That’s how…

But I agree they need to expand the CES program especially if they’re doing away with how ELC as we’ve known it

They should raise the bar higher or just cancel this at elementary level. It’s too discouraging and how kids feel seeing friends scoring lower than him got picked enriched program? Life lesson at 9?!

Not sure why your kid would find it discouraging unless they don't understand what the CES program is, in which case it's your job to explain it to them. CES is not designed or intended to serve the smartest/highest scoring/etc kids. It's just a lottery for a random sampling of above-average kids who qualify for enrichment-- some kids get it at their local school and a random group of those have the option of going to a different school for it. It's not a competition and doesn't reflect on the kids in any way.

Have you read the previous posts? The kids at CES do get a different program.
And, I understand that CES is not purely about selecting the 'smartest' or 'highest-scoring' kids, but when students who show a strong passion for reading and significantly higher scores are randomly passed over, it’s reasonable for them to feel discouraged. Explaining that it's just a lottery doesn’t change the fact that a child who excels might see a peer with a lower score get the opportunity they wanted. At 9 years old, they may not view it as 'just a random sampling'—they see it as working hard, achieving more, and still being left out. Fairness isn’t just about equal chance; it’s about recognizing effort and ability in a meaningful way

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Anonymous wrote:How are the kids in the same school one get 218 got in and one got 230 didn’t? This is too ridiculous.

Both are in the pool. A lottery is a selection from the pool. That’s how…

But I agree they need to expand the CES program especially if they’re doing away with how ELC as we’ve known it

They should raise the bar higher or just cancel this at elementary level. It’s too discouraging and how kids feel seeing friends scoring lower than him got picked enriched program? Life lesson at 9?!

Not sure why your kid would find it discouraging unless they don't understand what the CES program is, in which case it's your job to explain it to them. CES is not designed or intended to serve the smartest/highest scoring/etc kids. It's just a lottery for a random sampling of above-average kids who qualify for enrichment-- some kids get it at their local school and a random group of those have the option of going to a different school for it. It's not a competition and doesn't reflect on the kids in any way.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school is doing CKLA but the high achieving kids are grouped together. The teacher who has that class is really good and does some really creative stuff to make learning interesting. She is also very strict so I know the kids behave well for her.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm skeptical that CES is much different from home school.

This will likely depend on what the home school is planning to do for literacy enrichment and whether they continue to offer the ELC or not. What are folks hearing from your schools about that?

This is the new ELC model. Still a separate class for high achievers, but with CKLA and moves faster than "regular" classes to cover more content. Actually seems much better with old ELC curriculum.

Are they actually competing the kids together? When I asked my school they said that there would be a weekly pull-out during the Flex Time for novel studies but not that it would be a separate class. That is mostly why I’m leaning towards accepting the CES spot over staying at the local school. The cohort is so important

That's the other model for enrichment that is not ELC. (There are two models.) If there are enough kids to form a class, then next year at least, they should be offered the new ELC (which is based on CKLA but moves faster -- similar to how 4/5 and 5/6 math move faster).

Okay, so just to confirm, you're saying central office has told schools that starting this coming fall, they have two choices: a weekly pull-out enrichment option, or a cohorted class doing CKLA in an accelerated way? But they are not allowed to choose to offer the old version of ELC (the one that CES does) or any other enrichment option? Is that right?

Yes, that is what they are saying. But anyone who knows MCPS also knows that central office has "guidelines" that schools may or may not follow. So you will definitely want to confirm all this with your local school and the Office of Accelerated and Enriched Instruction.

If this is true, parents should complain. The whole point of ELC was to deliver the same level of curriculum and depth as is offered in the CES. There is no reason that the curriculum used by CES and ELC should be different.

As far as I know it has always been different. The CES curriculum was only ever at the centers.

The CES curriculum and the ELC curriculum both used William and Mary boos and Junior Great books and other things from MCPS. Implementation of how they were used varies widely be teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:How are the kids in the same school one get 218 got in and one got 230 didn’t? This is too ridiculous.

Both are in the pool. A lottery is a selection from the pool. That’s how…

But I agree they need to expand the CES program especially if they’re doing away with how ELC as we’ve known it

They should raise the bar higher or just cancel this at elementary level. It’s too discouraging and how kids feel seeing friends scoring lower than him got picked enriched program? Life lesson at 9?!

Why are they sharing this information or knowing what their peers scored? I told my daughter explicitly to not talk about it today.

I discouraged my daughter from talking about it, but did he warn her it might come up. Also yeah, there's no reason for third graders to know or care about each other's scores.

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Anonymous wrote:How are the kids in the same school one get 218 got in and one got 230 didn’t? This is too ridiculous.

Both are in the pool. A lottery is a selection from the pool. That’s how…

But I agree they need to expand the CES program especially if they’re doing away with how ELC as we’ve known it

They should raise the bar higher or just cancel this at elementary level. It’s too discouraging and how kids feel seeing friends scoring lower than him got picked enriched program? Life lesson at 9?!

Yes life lesson 9. Jesus, ya’ll try to shield kids from the simplest things. It’s not that deep.

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Anonymous wrote:How are the kids in the same school one get 218 got in and one got 230 didn’t? This is too ridiculous.

Both are in the pool. A lottery is a selection from the pool. That’s how…

But I agree they need to expand the CES program especially if they’re doing away with how ELC as we’ve known it

They should raise the bar higher or just cancel this at elementary level. It’s too discouraging and how kids feel seeing friends scoring lower than him got picked enriched program? Life lesson at 9?!

Why are they sharing this information or knowing what their peers scored? I told my daughter explicitly to not talk about it today.

This is a different topic. Why are kids ok to talk about how good their soccer games were but not how well they score on the test?

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Anonymous wrote:How are the kids in the same school one get 218 got in and one got 230 didn’t? This is too ridiculous.

Both are in the pool. A lottery is a selection from the pool. That’s how…

But I agree they need to expand the CES program especially if they’re doing away with how ELC as we’ve known it

They should raise the bar higher or just cancel this at elementary level. It’s too discouraging and how kids feel seeing friends scoring lower than him got picked enriched program? Life lesson at 9?!

Why are they sharing this information or knowing what their peers scored? I told my daughter explicitly to not talk about it today.

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Anonymous wrote:How are the kids in the same school one get 218 got in and one got 230 didn’t? This is too ridiculous.

Both are in the pool. A lottery is a selection from the pool. That’s how…

But I agree they need to expand the CES program especially if they’re doing away with how ELC as we’ve known it

They should raise the bar higher or just cancel this at elementary level. It’s too discouraging and how kids feel seeing friends scoring lower than him got picked enriched program? Life lesson at 9?!

Anonymous wrote:How are the kids in the same school one get 218 got in and one got 230 didn’t? This is too ridiculous.

Both are in the pool. A lottery is a selection from the pool. That’s how…

But I agree they need to expand the CES program especially if they’re doing away with how ELC as we’ve known it

How are the kids in the same school one get 218 got in and one got 230 didn’t? This is too ridiculous.