Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame consistently gets talked down on DCUM. Not sure if it's the midwestern location, the religious affiliation, or its age-old legacy as being a "football school." Regardless, the school is a very tough admit, and its focus on undergraduate education seems like something to celebrate not denigrate.

With a 9% acceptance rate, unfortunately a lot of people get turned down for admissions. You could be seeing a reaction to that, which is personal with many. That's what anonymous message boards are for though, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Sad that a school like ND with that endowment cannot produce one single decent graduate program….for a school with that profile, their graduate degrees in general are terrible…
No wonder any research based rankings they are not even in the ballpark of their undergraduate teaching rankings…

Who cares. My DS doesn't want to do his graduate work at the same school as undergrad. Notre Dame does things their own way and it's worked well for a long long long time.

Except for research output. So much for undergrad being involved with research BS that they sell to parents and prospective students.
My daughter went to ND. Had a great time, but my son at Cornell had 100x better research opportunities as an undergrad than my daughter had….it wasn’t even a close comparison.

Notre Dame student's accepted to medical school is at 84% which is almost twice as high as the national average.

So? Almost every ivy as well as Duke, JHU, Northwestern is closer to 90, and the rest of the T25 and T5 Lacs are all above 80%. ND at 84 is expected not impressive.

lol

Anonymous wrote:Are they still test optional? All the selective TO schools seem to have had a surge.

+100

We know athletes that de-committed from Brown and Harvard because they didn't have high enough required test scores when the time came-- so committed to a test optional Ivy instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Sad that a school like ND with that endowment cannot produce one single decent graduate program….for a school with that profile, their graduate degrees in general are terrible…
No wonder any research based rankings they are not even in the ballpark of their undergraduate teaching rankings…

Who cares. My DS doesn't want to do his graduate work at the same school as undergrad. Notre Dame does things their own way and it's worked well for a long long long time.

Except for research output. So much for undergrad being involved with research BS that they sell to parents and prospective students.
My daughter went to ND. Had a great time, but my son at Cornell had 100x better research opportunities as an undergrad than my daughter had….it wasn’t even a close comparison.

Notre Dame student's accepted to medical school is at 84% which is almost twice as high as the national average.

So? Almost every ivy as well as Duke, JHU, Northwestern is closer to 90, and the rest of the T25 and T5 Lacs are all above 80%. ND at 84 is expected not impressive.

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Anonymous wrote:Sad that a school like ND with that endowment cannot produce one single decent graduate program….for a school with that profile, their graduate degrees in general are terrible…
No wonder any research based rankings they are not even in the ballpark of their undergraduate teaching rankings…

Who cares. My DS doesn't want to do his graduate work at the same school as undergrad. Notre Dame does things their own way and it's worked well for a long long long time.

Except for research output. So much for undergrad being involved with research BS that they sell to parents and prospective students.
My daughter went to ND. Had a great time, but my son at Cornell had 100x better research opportunities as an undergrad than my daughter had….it wasn’t even a close comparison.

Fair, but ND is not the only one in its tier to have this issue. GTown, Emory also suffer similarly with not nearly the same opportunities for research that our kids and friend's kid have at Princeton, Penn, Hopkins. The researchy ones that rival ivies in the bottom half of the T25 are Rice, CMU, Vanderbilt, WashU. Robust phd programs correlates directly with opportunities for undergrads.

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Anonymous wrote:Sad that a school like ND with that endowment cannot produce one single decent graduate program….for a school with that profile, their graduate degrees in general are terrible…
No wonder any research based rankings they are not even in the ballpark of their undergraduate teaching rankings…

Who cares. My DS doesn't want to do his graduate work at the same school as undergrad. Notre Dame does things their own way and it's worked well for a long long long time.

Except for research output. So much for undergrad being involved with research BS that they sell to parents and prospective students.
My daughter went to ND. Had a great time, but my son at Cornell had 100x better research opportunities as an undergrad than my daughter had….it wasn’t even a close comparison.

Notre Dame student's accepted to medical school is at 84% which is almost twice as high as the national average.

That's around the same for all T25's.

No it's not actually.

lol -- it is.

Anonymous wrote:2025 US News, ND 18th, Georgetown 24 , and Boston College 37. The gap between ND and BC is huge. I Illinois and Ga Tech are ranked higher than Boston College. Do BC boosters consider UMass at 58 a peer. As for Holy Cross unfair comparison as HC is a LAC with 3000 students. like comparing Colgate with Syracuse or Davidson with Duke.

BC should not be at 37. In my view ND should not be 18 nor G town 24. They are all about the same in terms of academics. All have a very different feel though.

Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame consistently gets talked down on DCUM. Not sure if it's the midwestern location, the religious affiliation, or its age-old legacy as being a "football school." Regardless, the school is a very tough admit, and its focus on undergraduate education seems like something to celebrate not denigrate.

It's funny ... definitely NOT a DCUM favorite!

Notre Dame consistently gets talked down on DCUM. Not sure if it's the midwestern location, the religious affiliation, or its age-old legacy as being a "football school." Regardless, the school is a very tough admit, and its focus on undergraduate education seems like something to celebrate not denigrate.

Anonymous wrote:Sad that a school like ND with that endowment cannot produce one single decent graduate program….for a school with that profile, their graduate degrees in general are terrible…
No wonder any research based rankings they are not even in the ballpark of their undergraduate teaching rankings…

I know you’re trying to bash it but they’re probably more insulated right now because they don’t have high research output. I would 100% recommend it for kids interested, the only comparable school in terms of alumni engagement is Wellesley. And Notre Dame probably had non-Alumni excited to interview students because it has a large sports fan base made up of Catholics.

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Anonymous wrote:No surprise Cornell endowment is half of ND’s . Big Red of Cornell only $10 billion.

And yet, their research output and opportunities for research dwarf Notre Dame…..it not even a close contest….

Do you have a data for undergrad??

My kid got a nice research opportunity in 2nd year at ND. My impression is ND students get better opportunities.

than Cornell? Maybe the ILR, or Agriculture students

ND probably has better research opportunities per student.

Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame announced prior to this admission season that they would be need-blind for internationals. An increase was expected for this reason.

They are also still test optional.

Why an increase if need blind for intl?

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Anonymous wrote:No surprise Cornell endowment is half of ND’s . Big Red of Cornell only $10 billion.

And yet, their research output and opportunities for research dwarf Notre Dame…..it not even a close contest….

Do you have a data for undergrad??

My kid got a nice research opportunity in 2nd year at ND. My impression is ND students get better opportunities.

than Cornell? Maybe the ILR, or Agriculture students

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Anonymous wrote:Sad that a school like ND with that endowment cannot produce one single decent graduate program….for a school with that profile, their graduate degrees in general are terrible…
No wonder any research based rankings they are not even in the ballpark of their undergraduate teaching rankings…

Who cares. My DS doesn't want to do his graduate work at the same school as undergrad. Notre Dame does things their own way and it's worked well for a long long long time.

Except for research output. So much for undergrad being involved with research BS that they sell to parents and prospective students.
My daughter went to ND. Had a great time, but my son at Cornell had 100x better research opportunities as an undergrad than my daughter had….it wasn’t even a close comparison.

Notre Dame student's accepted to medical school is at 84% which is almost twice as high as the national average.

That's around the same for all T25's.

No it's not actually.

yes it is.

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Anonymous wrote:No surprise Cornell endowment is half of ND’s . Big Red of Cornell only $10 billion.

And yet, their research output and opportunities for research dwarf Notre Dame…..it not even a close contest….

Do you have a data for undergrad??

My kid got a nice research opportunity in 2nd year at ND. My impression is ND students get better opportunities.