Anonymous wrote:Not a surprise. Parents and teachers are far more attentive to girls and all kinds of programs set up for them.

Really? So boy moms aren't attentive to their boys?

Anonymous wrote:So tired of boy mom threads blaming girls for everything.

+1 for thousands of years boys turned into men who ruled the world, and now that girls are able to go to college and get a good paying job, all of a sudden boys are falling behind? What is up with that? Boys are too weak? Boys are to delicate? I don't get it.

-mom of college boy and HS girl

I'm older, and grew up in a conservative culture where they did not encourage girls to go to college. I pushed myself and out-succeeded my brother, even as my parents put more energy on his college than mine. My mother would always say that my brother just didn't have the self motivation so he needed to be pushed more. My response to that was, "He's not dumb, and if he lacks any motivation, it's because you the parent had low expectations of him."

It's not the systems fault. It's the parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:So … basically most boys need DEI to compete with girls. Otherwise the girls blow them out of the water.

Mediocre white boys and men were able to succeed despite their mediocrity for hundreds of years. As soon as the tables started to turn, they went MAGA.

No, the school system is no longer geared toward the way biology enables them to learn and develop. Instead of active learning, athletics, camaraderie, they are forced to sit for 8 straight hours being yelled at and humiliated by purple-haired women who feel like they finally have control over men. It's pathetic.

They are not mistreated by teachers. They are asked to do things they find boring. Like writing feelings journal entries in 9th grade English.

The smart kids need alternatives to book learning cramming (including girls). Like Honors Shop Class/3D Printing. Unfortunately, the tech programs/ alternative high schools seem to still be offramps that don't lead to 4 year college.

DP. My kid never had to write a feelings journal, but she had to analyze Kendrick Lamar’s Super Bowl halftime performance for AP Lang a few weeks ago. And they don’t ever have to finish a whole book at home anymore, because, you know, too boring, I guess. Totally biased towards girls, sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Having a boy really opened my eyes to this issue. My well behaved, introvert, academically inclined DS is completing college a semester early with nearly perfect gpa, and even he ran into the bias against boys in the educational system. He had some wonderful teachers through the years, but he had some that clearly just didn’t like boys. I had friends with boys who were naturally rowdier who really struggled with it.

It has nothing to do with how they do on their academic assignments, but teachers who expect boys to act like girls and penalize them when they don’t and then wonder why they don’t like school. My son has had a great academic career, but I regret not sending him to an all boys school through at least middle school.

As the parent of another well-behaved, introverted, and academically inclined boy, this is very interesting to me. Mine is a HS senior, and it does seem to me that throughout his educational journey thus far, his teachers have absolutely loved that he “acts like a girl” yet also has an outlier IQ that is typically more prevalent among boys. Best of both worlds from a teacher’s perspective, I suppose.

You two need to take this conversation elsewhere. Not sure what an "outlier IQ" is. Mine son's last neuropsych put him at 138--with super low processing speed. But treated like absolute trash throughout his childhood because he did not act like a girl. He is extremely scarred by it and did not thrive in college. Hoping to not fail any classes in his last semester at a top 25 university, jobless and ready to be done with school forever.

This seems like a failure on your part. Did you not know? I had a teacher that targeted my kid in 2nd. The 3rd grade teacher was awesome.

No way would I let my kid stay in a situation that treated him like trash his whole childhood.

For the record, in the survey OP links to, 78% of teens—the ones actually sitting in school all day, and not their disgruntled parents getting secondhand stories and looking for excuses for their kids’ behavior—said teachers favor boys and girls equally.

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Anonymous wrote:So … basically most boys need DEI to compete with girls. Otherwise the girls blow them out of the water.

Mediocre white boys and men were able to succeed despite their mediocrity for hundreds of years. As soon as the tables started to turn, they went MAGA.

No, the school system is no longer geared toward the way biology enables them to learn and develop. Instead of active learning, athletics, camaraderie, they are forced to sit for 8 straight hours being yelled at and humiliated by purple-haired women who feel like they finally have control over men. It's pathetic.

They are not mistreated by teachers. They are asked to do things they find boring. Like writing feelings journal entries in 9th grade English.

The smart kids need alternatives to book learning cramming (including girls). Like Honors Shop Class/3D Printing. Unfortunately, the tech programs/ alternative high schools seem to still be offramps that don't lead to 4 year college.

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Anonymous wrote:Having a boy really opened my eyes to this issue. My well behaved, introvert, academically inclined DS is completing college a semester early with nearly perfect gpa, and even he ran into the bias against boys in the educational system. He had some wonderful teachers through the years, but he had some that clearly just didn’t like boys. I had friends with boys who were naturally rowdier who really struggled with it.

It has nothing to do with how they do on their academic assignments, but teachers who expect boys to act like girls and penalize them when they don’t and then wonder why they don’t like school. My son has had a great academic career, but I regret not sending him to an all boys school through at least middle school.

As the parent of another well-behaved, introverted, and academically inclined boy, this is very interesting to me. Mine is a HS senior, and it does seem to me that throughout his educational journey thus far, his teachers have absolutely loved that he “acts like a girl” yet also has an outlier IQ that is typically more prevalent among boys. Best of both worlds from a teacher’s perspective, I suppose.

You two need to take this conversation elsewhere. Not sure what an "outlier IQ" is. Mine son's last neuropsych put him at 138--with super low processing speed. But treated like absolute trash throughout his childhood because he did not act like a girl. He is extremely scarred by it and did not thrive in college. Hoping to not fail any classes in his last semester at a top 25 university, jobless and ready to be done with school forever.

DP. Sorry, but if your kid was really treated like “absolute trash” throughout out his education by one teacher after another, he must have had considerable behavioral issues. Teachers can only handle so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Having a boy really opened my eyes to this issue. My well behaved, introvert, academically inclined DS is completing college a semester early with nearly perfect gpa, and even he ran into the bias against boys in the educational system. He had some wonderful teachers through the years, but he had some that clearly just didn’t like boys. I had friends with boys who were naturally rowdier who really struggled with it.

It has nothing to do with how they do on their academic assignments, but teachers who expect boys to act like girls and penalize them when they don’t and then wonder why they don’t like school. My son has had a great academic career, but I regret not sending him to an all boys school through at least middle school.

As the parent of another well-behaved, introverted, and academically inclined boy, this is very interesting to me. Mine is a HS senior, and it does seem to me that throughout his educational journey thus far, his teachers have absolutely loved that he “acts like a girl” yet also has an outlier IQ that is typically more prevalent among boys. Best of both worlds from a teacher’s perspective, I suppose.

You two need to take this conversation elsewhere. Not sure what an "outlier IQ" is. Mine son's last neuropsych put him at 138--with super low processing speed. But treated like absolute trash throughout his childhood because he did not act like a girl. He is extremely scarred by it and did not thrive in college. Hoping to not fail any classes in his last semester at a top 25 university, jobless and ready to be done with school forever.

It means there are proportionally more boys at both the higher and lower ends of the IQ bell curve. I’m genuinely sorry that your son experienced such trauma in school, but not sure why you feel the other PP and I should not add our DS’ experiences to the conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:Discussed before
Boys = minority group in college
why there's a group of magas steering the country into what we have.
As Laura Bush (yes a first lady at the beginning on the 21st century) said something along the lines of we are focusing on the young girls which we should, but we should also be concerned about the young boys. Well, she wasn't wrong to have worried about them.
#getyourboytoattendcollegeANDgraduate

100%%%%. I said that all of the time. Laura Bush was rightly focusing on boys falling behind—especially her reading initiatives and the school systems designed to the way girls learn/develop. And, Laura has only daughters, btw. We had take your daughters to work (changed eventually to child), girls on the run, girls in stem, as nauseum

I’m a female PhD (in my 50s) and I played competitive college sports, etc. I had no problem in that realm.

We started just medicating every boy that couldn’t sit still in kindergarten and first grade. Labeling them all toxic..until what we did eventually came to fruition in MAGA-types

I voted Harris—but I am not dense enough to not notice why Trump was able to win

I agree that education has become feminized. However, I think it's actually social changes for adults (particularly the lack of high-paying jobs for high school educated men) that have created the larger issues.

Anonymous wrote:Having a boy really opened my eyes to this issue. My well behaved, introvert, academically inclined DS is completing college a semester early with nearly perfect gpa, and even he ran into the bias against boys in the educational system. He had some wonderful teachers through the years, but he had some that clearly just didn’t like boys. I had friends with boys who were naturally rowdier who really struggled with it.

It has nothing to do with how they do on their academic assignments, but teachers who expect boys to act like girls and penalize them when they don’t and then wonder why they don’t like school. My son has had a great academic career, but I regret not sending him to an all boys school through at least middle school.

I don't have any sons, only daughters but I do agree there is sort if a bias against boys. Lots of teachers are female so that might be one of the reasons. Also I have no doubt that boys raised in divorced families with no fathers or a father figure has had an impact. Bottomline, we need more male role models.

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Anonymous wrote:Having a boy really opened my eyes to this issue. My well behaved, introvert, academically inclined DS is completing college a semester early with nearly perfect gpa, and even he ran into the bias against boys in the educational system. He had some wonderful teachers through the years, but he had some that clearly just didn’t like boys. I had friends with boys who were naturally rowdier who really struggled with it.

It has nothing to do with how they do on their academic assignments, but teachers who expect boys to act like girls and penalize them when they don’t and then wonder why they don’t like school. My son has had a great academic career, but I regret not sending him to an all boys school through at least middle school.

As the parent of another well-behaved, introverted, and academically inclined boy, this is very interesting to me. Mine is a HS senior, and it does seem to me that throughout his educational journey thus far, his teachers have absolutely loved that he “acts like a girl” yet also has an outlier IQ that is typically more prevalent among boys. Best of both worlds from a teacher’s perspective, I suppose.

You two need to take this conversation elsewhere. Not sure what an "outlier IQ" is. Mine son's last neuropsych put him at 138--with super low processing speed. But treated like absolute trash throughout his childhood because he did not act like a girl. He is extremely scarred by it and did not thrive in college. Hoping to not fail any classes in his last semester at a top 25 university, jobless and ready to be done with school forever.

Anonymous wrote:Having a boy really opened my eyes to this issue. My well behaved, introvert, academically inclined DS is completing college a semester early with nearly perfect gpa, and even he ran into the bias against boys in the educational system. He had some wonderful teachers through the years, but he had some that clearly just didn’t like boys. I had friends with boys who were naturally rowdier who really struggled with it.

It has nothing to do with how they do on their academic assignments, but teachers who expect boys to act like girls and penalize them when they don’t and then wonder why they don’t like school. My son has had a great academic career, but I regret not sending him to an all boys school through at least middle school.

As the parent of another well-behaved, introverted, and academically inclined boy, this is very interesting to me. Mine is a HS senior, and it does seem to me that throughout his educational journey thus far, his teachers have absolutely loved that he “acts like a girl” yet also has an outlier IQ that is typically more prevalent among boys. Best of both worlds from a teacher’s perspective, I suppose.

Not a surprise. Parents and teachers are far more attentive to girls and all kinds of programs set up for them.

Anonymous wrote:So … basically most boys need DEI to compete with girls. Otherwise the girls blow them out of the water.

Mediocre white boys and men were able to succeed despite their mediocrity for hundreds of years. As soon as the tables started to turn, they went MAGA.

+1

Yep

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Anonymous wrote:Discussed before
Boys = minority group in college
why there's a group of magas steering the country into what we have.
As Laura Bush (yes a first lady at the beginning on the 21st century) said something along the lines of we are focusing on the young girls which we should, but we should also be concerned about the young boys. Well, she wasn't wrong to have worried about them.
#getyourboytoattendcollegeANDgraduate

100%%%%. I said that all of the time. Laura Bush was rightly focusing on boys falling behind—especially her reading initiatives and the school systems designed to the way girls learn/develop. And, Laura has only daughters, btw. We had take your daughters to work (changed eventually to child), girls on the run, girls in stem, as nauseum

I’m a female PhD (in my 50s) and I played competitive college sports, etc. I had no problem in that realm.

We started just medicating every boy that couldn’t sit still in kindergarten and first grade. Labeling them all toxic..until what we did eventually came to fruition in MAGA-types

I voted Harris—but I am not dense enough to not notice why Trump was able to win

I happen to have a girl with ADHD and much of what you say is true for her. Our schools are not set up for the way many people (including presumably a lot more boys) learn. For us, the answer is private school.

I’m not sure how things like Women in STEM and Girls in the Run hurt boys. Most of the traditional STEM clubs are male dominated. It almost drove my daughter out of STEM, but a women’s college saved her and gave her the space to explore those interests without being dominated and condescended to by guys.

I think the point the pp was making is that investment in our girls should not be at the detriment of our boys — which for the past several years, maybe the past decade, it has been exactly that. I’m a girl mom and a feminist that can acknowledge the fact that if our highly educated empowered women have no one of equal merit to partner up with we are in trouble as a society

I disagree that investment in girls has come at the detriment at boys.

We should be very worried about boys, they need our attention. We need to get them off the video game addiction, get them reading, get them playing outside and building and making and working together as a team to solve problems. They brain rot in their basements, it’s terrible.

So you are able to acknowledge the pragmatic problems yet cannot see the cultural and systemic undertones that got us here?? You’re an idiot.

NP. We’re not allowed to talk about systemic issues that disfavor any one particular part of the population anymore. Or are we, as long as it’s boys?

That isn't what is happening here. Boys more frequently say "no college" because they have an advantage in good paying jobs (ie. the trades) that don't require college. Those jobs aren't as open to women, so more girls opt for college in order to get into a good paying job.

The decrease in college numbes for boys is occurring in part because the trades and other opportunites are biased against girls.

Ok, cool. So there’s no issue to discuss. End thread.