Anonymous
Post 03/14/2025 12:59     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.


The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.



So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.


There is a big distance between making admissions data publicly available and having having carte blanche to do whatever they want. Schools have to follow anti-discrimination laws, as does my employer, but they don’t owe the public this type of detailed information.


You don’t have to disclose information of applicants but you could explain the reason for rejection. Is it done now ? Is there room for unfair decisions in this way ? Yes!


Who are you to say what’s “fair” with a private school? Maybe they had too many teacher’s kids and younger siblings this year to admit your kid. Maybe they already more girls than boys and wanted to even out the class. Maybe they had already spent their FA budget. Maybe there was one spot left with five highly rated kids and they picked almost randomly.

If they provided any of these explanations it probably wouldn’t help you much, just move on.
Anonymous
Post 03/14/2025 12:19     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
Anonymous wrote:OP, you haven't thought this through. If the independent schools publish this info, then there would be a competition among the schools to see who could have the lowest admissions rate, because parents would naturally strive for the most selective schools. If they publish yield, then schools would want to protect their yield by rejecting more students. It would results in all the craziness of the USNews rankings fever. This is not in anybody's interest. The process is already difficult enough without an additional layer of crazy on top.


Campbell's law: The more any quantitative social indicator is used for social decision-making, the more subject it will be to corruption pressures and the more apt it will be to distort and corrupt the social processes it is intended to monitor.

Goodhart's law: When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.

... but yeah, I wish I had the data myself.

Anonymous
Post 03/14/2025 12:17     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.


The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.



So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.


There is a big distance between making admissions data publicly available and having having carte blanche to do whatever they want. Schools have to follow anti-discrimination laws, as does my employer, but they don’t owe the public this type of detailed information.


You don’t have to disclose information of applicants but you could explain the reason for rejection. Is it done now ? Is there room for unfair decisions in this way ? Yes!
Anonymous
Post 03/14/2025 12:15     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
Anonymous wrote:They have comply with anti-discrimination laws. They don’t have to volunteer their admissions decision making. If you are an aggrieved party, you can sue and seek the information you need through the courts.


If it’s opaque very difficult to know is a discrimination takes place.

If I am landlord and reject an application for rental I have to explain what was the criteria for rejection openly. I cannot keep to myself.

Why the law should be different for schools and landlords, even in the absence of federal grants?
Anonymous
Post 03/14/2025 10:37     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
I guess OP’s kid didn’t get in this year.
Anonymous
Post 03/14/2025 10:27     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.


The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.



So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.


There is a big distance between making admissions data publicly available and having having carte blanche to do whatever they want. Schools have to follow anti-discrimination laws, as does my employer, but they don’t owe the public this type of detailed information.
Anonymous
Post 03/14/2025 09:03     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
They have comply with anti-discrimination laws. They don’t have to volunteer their admissions decision making. If you are an aggrieved party, you can sue and seek the information you need through the courts.
Anonymous
Post 03/14/2025 08:54     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.


The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.



So if there two school candidates with exactly the same academic performance, private schools have the right to chose exclusively on their racial preferences?

If I am a business owner and have the same situation and hire a white person because I like whites, I thought that would be illegal even though I do not receive federal funds.

So I am not sure that private schools have carte Blanche to do whatever they want in admissions.
Anonymous
Post 03/14/2025 08:53     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
Anonymous wrote:LOL no Republicans are gutting all transprancy


They do do that don’t they. But mostly for private things while Democrats do that for things like COVID response, Federal spending and pretty much anything else in the bill public domain.
Anonymous
Post 03/14/2025 08:43     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
Anonymous wrote:Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.


The legal basis is that they are private institutions. If they are not accepting any gov’t funds, so they are not bounded by the requirements often tied to those funds.

These schools have to comply with laws on student safety, discriminations, and most have to maintain certifications from independent bodies. However, they don’t have to comply with federal or state admissions disclosure requirements.
Anonymous
Post 03/14/2025 08:14     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
Why do private colleges are now accountable and private schools not? Are they sacred cows?. What is the legal basis to treat two private entities differently? Is it ok to be race neutral in college admissions and not neutral in school admissions ?

Troll if you want but it will say a lot if you don’t provide a logical argument.
Anonymous
Post 03/13/2025 22:01     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
You can start your own private school and disclose your information if you want.
Anonymous
Post 03/13/2025 20:34     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
No. Do you know what private means?
Anonymous
Post 03/13/2025 20:31     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
LOL no Republicans are gutting all transprancy
Anonymous
Post 03/13/2025 20:19     Subject: should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission
Anonymous wrote:OP, you haven't thought this through. If the independent schools publish this info, then there would be a competition among the schools to see who could have the lowest admissions rate, because parents would naturally strive for the most selective schools. If they publish yield, then schools would want to protect their yield by rejecting more students. It would results in all the craziness of the USNews rankings fever. This is not in anybody's interest. The process is already difficult enough without an additional layer of crazy on top.

I think if they published both 'admissions rate' and 'unhooked admissions rate' you'd end up seeing fewer applicants as they would realize how unlikely it is to get in.