Anonymous
05/18/2025 19:04
Subject: Cheating in high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The easy solution to this is
- no cell phones in classes - no pictures of tests, not pre-written notes to access etc.
- blue book tests for everything as a baseline. Teachers can see the writing styles of their students and have a basis of comparison for papers submitted later in the semester.
Many schools have these rules but students still do it. It's easy to take a picture of a test once you take it home or write down the questions on a sticky note after you see it. When the teacher turns their back it's easy to whip out a phone or go to a bathroom and use your phone there. Finally, there are many ways to write your notes when you're not supposed to (Water bottle, hand, skirt, glasses).
When I was in high school I had this one history teacher, Mr. Beebe, who had been old when my father was in school. Mr. Beebe gave oral exams. I often think we will have to return to that format.
Anonymous
05/18/2025 16:35
Subject: Cheating in high school
Anonymous wrote:Really how? Do the examiners secretly give it before?
I don't think that people really know every way it happens maybe?
Anonymous
05/18/2025 16:29
Subject: Cheating in high school
Anonymous wrote:The easy solution to this is
- no cell phones in classes - no pictures of tests, not pre-written notes to access etc.
- blue book tests for everything as a baseline. Teachers can see the writing styles of their students and have a basis of comparison for papers submitted later in the semester.
Many schools have these rules but students still do it. It's easy to take a picture of a test once you take it home or write down the questions on a sticky note after you see it. When the teacher turns their back it's easy to whip out a phone or go to a bathroom and use your phone there. Finally, there are many ways to write your notes when you're not supposed to (Water bottle, hand, skirt, glasses).
Anonymous
05/18/2025 13:41
Subject: Cheating in high school
Anonymous wrote:At my 10th grader's school, the use of AI is rampant too, but the students are getting caught and are facing consequences. The way my child explained it to me is that teachers require you to also submit your working document along with uploading your final document. The teachers then use some kind of AI detector on the working document and the final version that allows them to detect whether AI was used on any of the versions and can also detect whether any large portions were copied and pasted. Last week, several students were caught, and they all received zero points for the assignment (which will account for a significant part of their final grade), are required to serve detention/suspension, and must meet with the department chair with their parents. They also lose special privileges and the ability to participate in some programs. Any 9th grade students caught cheating lose a lot of privileges, like participation in the foreign exchange program, etc.
The problem is that those "AI detectors" don't work.
I'm not saying that those kids did not use AI. I'm saying that those tools are inherently flawed and are unreliable.
Anonymous
05/18/2025 13:37
Subject: Cheating in high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of cheating in Sidwell US, much worse since Covid
The cheating in Sidwell’s Chemistry 1A class (current sophomores) has been terrible this year!
To be fair, Sidwell brings this upon itself with the way they teach this course. No actual lectures is insane. Even MIT has lectures!
How do they run a class with no lectures? Do the kids just self-study and show up for labs?
Kids are essentially expected to self-study and come to class prepared to engage with the material. Obviously, kids aren't going to generally understand chemistry this way, so many will just watch some Youtube lectures before class to self-teach the material. The kids who perform best in this class usually come in with a decent foundation in Chemistry, usually through self-studying the course in the summer.
Anonymous
05/18/2025 12:53
Subject: Cheating in high school
At my 10th grader's school, the use of AI is rampant too, but the students are getting caught and are facing consequences. The way my child explained it to me is that teachers require you to also submit your working document along with uploading your final document. The teachers then use some kind of AI detector on the working document and the final version that allows them to detect whether AI was used on any of the versions and can also detect whether any large portions were copied and pasted. Last week, several students were caught, and they all received zero points for the assignment (which will account for a significant part of their final grade), are required to serve detention/suspension, and must meet with the department chair with their parents. They also lose special privileges and the ability to participate in some programs. Any 9th grade students caught cheating lose a lot of privileges, like participation in the foreign exchange program, etc.
Anonymous
05/18/2025 11:53
Subject: Cheating in high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of cheating in Sidwell US, much worse since Covid
The cheating in Sidwell’s Chemistry 1A class (current sophomores) has been terrible this year!
To be fair, Sidwell brings this upon itself with the way they teach this course. No actual lectures is insane. Even MIT has lectures!
The way the class is taught is not ideal (understatement), and Sidwell should definitely step in and revamp Chem 1A. However, the students who cheat should be punished. I have zero sympathy for them. My oldest child was recommended for that class but she turned it down because Chem 1A’s VERY negative reputation precedes itself. I have no doubt that the vast majority of Sidwell students know that class is a s-show, but they sign up for it anyway. That’s on them. You want “rigor?” Well, Chem 1A will give that to you, with a side of unnecessary frustration and tears.
Anonymous
05/18/2025 10:37
Subject: Cheating in high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of cheating in Sidwell US, much worse since Covid
The cheating in Sidwell’s Chemistry 1A class (current sophomores) has been terrible this year!
To be fair, Sidwell brings this upon itself with the way they teach this course. No actual lectures is insane. Even MIT has lectures!
How do they run a class with no lectures? Do the kids just self-study and show up for labs?
Kinda
Anonymous
05/18/2025 09:49
Subject: Cheating in high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of cheating in Sidwell US, much worse since Covid
The cheating in Sidwell’s Chemistry 1A class (current sophomores) has been terrible this year!
To be fair, Sidwell brings this upon itself with the way they teach this course. No actual lectures is insane. Even MIT has lectures!
How do they run a class with no lectures? Do the kids just self-study and show up for labs?
Anonymous
05/18/2025 09:46
Subject: Cheating in high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of cheating in Sidwell US, much worse since Covid
The cheating in Sidwell’s Chemistry 1A class (current sophomores) has been terrible this year!
To be fair, Sidwell brings this upon itself with the way they teach this course. No actual lectures is insane. Even MIT has lectures!
Anonymous
05/18/2025 03:05
Subject: Cheating in high school
That doesn't matter since networks are highly diverse these days.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of cheating in Sidwell US, much worse since Covid
The cheating in Sidwell’s Chemistry 1A class (current sophomores) has been terrible this year!
My DC has told me about so much cheating in the 10th grade Sidwell class. It's kind of hysterical and the administration seems so frazzled and have no idea what to do about it. I just tell DC to just not cheat and at the end of the day your brain is growing more. So many kids have not gotten caught. And FYI, they have empty threats to do anything about it.
I tell my kids - and it’s true - that I remember who cheated in high school and college. They will always be dishonest in my mind. Would never invest with them, use them for legal work, recommend them for a job.
Anonymous
05/16/2025 16:04
Subject: Cheating in high school
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any information about the recent Chem IA class at Sidwell? Mr. Suphaphiphat has been much stricter about it this year as opposed to previous years, according to DD.
Did you not read the earlier posts in this thread? Cheating has been rampant in Chem 1A this year. He’s probably stricter because students have been constantly cheating in his class this year.
Anonymous
05/16/2025 15:02
Subject: Cheating in high school
Does anyone have any information about the recent Chem IA class at Sidwell? Mr. Suphaphiphat has been much stricter about it this year as opposed to previous years, according to DD.
Anonymous
05/16/2025 10:55
Subject: Cheating in high school
The fancy programmable calculators also get used to cheat in some STEM classes - preprogram key equations into the calculator before the test.
Anonymous
05/16/2025 10:49
Subject: Cheating in high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of cheating in Sidwell US, much worse since Covid
The cheating in Sidwell’s Chemistry 1A class (current sophomores) has been terrible this year!
My DC has told me about so much cheating in the 10th grade Sidwell class. It's kind of hysterical and the administration seems so frazzled and have no idea what to do about it. I just tell DC to just not cheat and at the end of the day your brain is growing more. So many kids have not gotten caught. And FYI, they have empty threats to do anything about it.
I tell my kids - and it’s true - that I remember who cheated in high school and college. They will always be dishonest in my mind. Would never invest with them, use them for legal work, recommend them for a job.