Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:more than half of the FAA have nothing to do with Air Traffic Control. 14,000 of the 35,000 are Air Traffic Controllers. Most of these cuts are people have nothing to do with the safety of a flight.

Most of what an Air Traffic Controller doe sis automated, planes can latterly take off, fly and land themselves.

WTF you have no idea what you are talking about. Please stop.

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The FAS has many jobs that help maintain air safety. Not only air traffic controllers, but also aviation safety inspectors, and safety analysts.

Apart from Air traffic controllers, FAA workers who help to keep flying safe in the US include:

Aviation safety inspectors
Enforce and investigate safety standards and regulations for aircraft
Ensure aircraft are safe to produce, operate, maintain, and modify

Safety analysts Support the Safety Management System (SMS), Help teams meet SMS requirements, and Ensure compliance with safety policies and procedures.

Accident investigators

Safety program managers

Directors of safety

Safety data analysts

FOQA managers - A Flight Operations Quality Assurance (FOQA) manager is responsible for overseeing the daily administration of an FOQA program. FOQA is a process that analyzes flight data to identify safety issues and trends.

ASAP managers - An Aviation Safety Action Program (ASAP) manager is responsible for reviewing reports, analyzing data, and communicating with the event review committee (ERC). The ASAP manager is part of the FAA's Aviation Safety Action Program, which encourages employees to report safety issues.

LOSA managers - organize and oversee Line Operations Safety Assessments (LOSAs). LOSAs are a formal process that involves trained observers collecting data about airline operations. The goal is to improve safety by identifying and addressing potential threats and errors.

LOSAs help airlines: Identify strengths and weaknesses, Reduce undesirable events, Improve efficiency, Proactively manage at-risk behaviors, and Self-assess safety margins.

Anonymous wrote:more than half of the FAA have nothing to do with Air Traffic Control. 14,000 of the 35,000 are Air Traffic Controllers. Most of these cuts are people have nothing to do with the safety of a flight.

Most of what an Air Traffic Controller doe sis automated, planes can latterly take off, fly and land themselves.

WTF you have no idea what you are talking about. Please stop.

DD flew into IAD this afternoon and I was not concerned.

more than half of the FAA have nothing to do with Air Traffic Control. 14,000 of the 35,000 are Air Traffic Controllers. Most of these cuts are people have nothing to do with the safety of a flight.

Most of what an Air Traffic Controller doe sis automated, planes can latterly take off, fly and land themselves.

Anonymous wrote:WASHINGTON, Feb 17 (Reuters) - The Federal Aviation Administration fired fewer than 400 employees out of its workforce of 45,000, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said on Monday, as questions rise around air traffic safety amid a spate of recent plane accidents.

Duffy posted the number of layoffs in a social media post message on X, formerly known as Twitter, responding to a post by his Democratic predecessor Pete Buttigieg, who has been critical of the Trump administration's Department of Transportation.

"Less than 400 were let go, and they were all probationary, meaning they had been hired less than a year ago. Zero air traffic controllers and critical safety personnel were let go," Duffy wrote on Monday.
The Trump administration sent air traffic controllers buyout offers but later said they were not eligible, also declaring other safety officials, including TSA officers, ineligible. The FAA remains about 3,500 controllers short of targeted staffing levels.

You tried to gotcha someone saying they'd fired hundreds of employees with an article that said they fired 400 hundred (or hundreds) of employees.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dulles itself is no worse off than any US airport but I can't say I'm particularly excited about getting on any plane at the moment.

I think this goes to a deeper point that lots of people thought Trump would just screw over DC and federal workers, especially the ones like FAA, TSA, and NPS that they've targeted are nationwide. This is going to be an issue across the country.

Yes agree that US air safety across the border is impacted by firing hundreds of air safety controllers.

The fired FAA workers include systems specialists, safety inspectors, maintenance mechanics, administrative staff and more.

Link. Not according to Sec. DOT.

It is basic logic that firing hundreds of FAA workers when the agency is already understaffed does not bode well for air safety.

Head of Professional Aviation Safety Specialists (PASS) union Alex Spero
Said that the mass firings of FAA workers affected include systems specialists, safety inspectors, maintenance mechanics and administrative staff. Spero noted that the FAA is "already challenged by understaffing", and that the decision to cut staff was "unconscionable in the aftermath of three deadly aircraft accidents in the past month", including the crash near Washington DC's Ronald Reagan airport, in which 67 people were killed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9y1e1kpjo.amp


Trump Administration Begins Firing Hundreds of FAA Staff Despite Recent Safety Concerns

The National Air Traffic Controllers Association said in a brief statement Monday it was “analyzing the effect of the reported federal employee terminations on aviation safety, the national airspace system and our members.”

https://time.com/7253007/trump-doge-fires-faa-federal-aviation-administration-flight-safety-concerns/#

https://apnews.com/articledoge-faa-air-traffic-firings-safety-67981aec33b6ee72cbad8dcee31f3437

https://www.wlbt.com/video/2025/02/18/hundreds-faa-workers-fired-causing-public-safety-concerns/#

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9y1e1kpjo.amp

Anonymous wrote:WASHINGTON, Feb 17 (Reuters) - The Federal Aviation Administration fired fewer than 400 employees out of its workforce of 45,000, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said on Monday, as questions rise around air traffic safety amid a spate of recent plane accidents.

Duffy posted the number of layoffs in a social media post message on X, formerly known as Twitter, responding to a post by his Democratic predecessor Pete Buttigieg, who has been critical of the Trump administration's Department of Transportation.

"Less than 400 were let go, and they were all probationary, meaning they had been hired less than a year ago. Zero air traffic controllers and critical safety personnel were let go," Duffy wrote on Monday.
The Trump administration sent air traffic controllers buyout offers but later said they were not eligible, also declaring other safety officials, including TSA officers, ineligible. The FAA remains about 3,500 controllers short of targeted staffing levels.

So these were FAA janitors? 🙄

Anonymous wrote:WASHINGTON, Feb 17 (Reuters) - The Federal Aviation Administration fired fewer than 400 employees out of its workforce of 45,000, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said on Monday, as questions rise around air traffic safety amid a spate of recent plane accidents.

Duffy posted the number of layoffs in a social media post message on X, formerly known as Twitter, responding to a post by his Democratic predecessor Pete Buttigieg, who has been critical of the Trump administration's Department of Transportation.

"Less than 400 were let go, and they were all probationary, meaning they had been hired less than a year ago. Zero air traffic controllers and critical safety personnel were let go," Duffy wrote on Monday.
The Trump administration sent air traffic controllers buyout offers but later said they were not eligible, also declaring other safety officials, including TSA officers, ineligible. The FAA remains about 3,500 controllers short of targeted staffing levels.

Good luck with that bull---t.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-musk-faa-firings-purge-air-safety-1235271233/

You can't fire that many people and not get a good number who are deeply involved in safety, or at the very least supportive of those who do it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dulles itself is no worse off than any US airport but I can't say I'm particularly excited about getting on any plane at the moment.

I think this goes to a deeper point that lots of people thought Trump would just screw over DC and federal workers, especially the ones like FAA, TSA, and NPS that they've targeted are nationwide. This is going to be an issue across the country.

Yes agree that US air safety across the border is impacted by firing hundreds of air safety controllers.

The fired FAA workers include systems specialists, safety inspectors, maintenance mechanics, administrative staff and more.

This makes 0 sense. FAA was understaffed as it is. DOGE is out of control and shame on all the Republicans sitting silent as our country falls to pieces.

They want to privatize it and put it under Musk. This is all about Musk making money.

OMG / hope he runs a private version of FAA better than Tesla in terms of worker and driver safety.

Tesla's injury rate for factory workers has been higher than the industry average, and the company failed to report many injuries. Tesla has also been involved in more fatal accidents than other car brands.

In 2016, Tesla's Fremont plant had an injury rate of 8.1 per 100 workers, which was 31% higher than the industry average.
The Center for Investigative Reporting found that Tesla failed to report some serious injuries, which made the company's injury numbers look better than they were.
Fatal accident rates

A study by iSeeCars found that Tesla models had the highest fatal accident rates in the U.S. from 2017 to 2022.

A study by Road & Track found that Tesla vehicles have a fatal crash rate double the national average.

OSHA violations
Tesla has had three times as many OSHA violations as the 10 largest US plants combined.

This! I just wrote on an another thread about a woman afraid to fly, that having Elon and crew anywhere near the FAA is absolutely terrifying! I would never drive a Tesla, and he should stay away from planes and rockets.

WASHINGTON, Feb 17 (Reuters) - The Federal Aviation Administration fired fewer than 400 employees out of its workforce of 45,000, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said on Monday, as questions rise around air traffic safety amid a spate of recent plane accidents.

Duffy posted the number of layoffs in a social media post message on X, formerly known as Twitter, responding to a post by his Democratic predecessor Pete Buttigieg, who has been critical of the Trump administration's Department of Transportation.

"Less than 400 were let go, and they were all probationary, meaning they had been hired less than a year ago. Zero air traffic controllers and critical safety personnel were let go," Duffy wrote on Monday.
The Trump administration sent air traffic controllers buyout offers but later said they were not eligible, also declaring other safety officials, including TSA officers, ineligible. The FAA remains about 3,500 controllers short of targeted staffing levels.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dulles itself is no worse off than any US airport but I can't say I'm particularly excited about getting on any plane at the moment.

I think this goes to a deeper point that lots of people thought Trump would just screw over DC and federal workers, especially the ones like FAA, TSA, and NPS that they've targeted are nationwide. This is going to be an issue across the country.

Yes agree that US air safety across the border is impacted by firing hundreds of air safety controllers.

The fired FAA workers include systems specialists, safety inspectors, maintenance mechanics, administrative staff and more.

Link. Not according to Sec. DOT.