Anonymous
02/07/2025 13:35
Subject: Which country to live in?
I’m Middle Eastern from a Gulf country. Please don’t come to our countries. We are sick and tired of Expats coming in driving up the cost of living. Also we find your support for genocide disgusting (and yes we are well aware that our US puppet governments didn’t do anything). Please just stay in the US. The world doesn’t want you.
Anonymous
02/07/2025 13:25
Subject: Which country to live in?
Anonymous wrote:Let’s say you are a fed+private sector fam that is thoroughly terrorized like Vought wanted and contemplating an exit.
What country would you move to for the next 20-30 years (assume visa isn’t an issue)? Two kids in two, including one going to college in 4 years. Both highly educated looking for highish income jobs.
Where would you live? Where would you want your kids to go to university?
Most EU/Canada - economy not as robust, lower salaries, could be fine
Middle East - high salaries, high standard of living, no political freedoms
SE Asia - fast growing, interesting opportunities but also authoritarianish (Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia come to mind)
I realize these are regions and big differences are exist between say Germany and Portugal
If you aren’t already a dual citizen or married to a citizen of another country, and you haven’t started to move, you’re going to have a very hard going to another country. No one is going to let us in. There are too many of us, and we were jerks m
Anonymous
02/07/2025 13:24
Subject: Which country to live in?
I just had a chatbot play out some scenarios of a family of 4 moving to EU.
To live comfortably in the listed EU countries with a family of four you would need an after-tax income of roughly:
€40,000–€60,000/year in Estonia.
€60,000–€80,000/year in Germany, Austria, France, Belgium, Finland, and Sweden.
€70,000–€90,000/year in the Netherlands.
€80,000–€110,000/year in Denmark and Ireland.
These estimates assume a middle-class lifestyle, including housing in a major city, occasional travel, and leisure activities. If you opt for international schools or a higher standard of living, your required income would increase accordingly.
To live comfortably in the listed EU countries with a family of four you would need an after-tax income of roughly:
€40,000–€60,000/year in Estonia.
€60,000–€80,000/year in Germany, Austria, France, Belgium, Finland, and Sweden.
€70,000–€90,000/year in the Netherlands.
€80,000–€110,000/year in Denmark and Ireland.
These estimates assume a middle-class lifestyle, including housing in a major city, occasional travel, and leisure activities. If you opt for international schools or a higher standard of living, your required income would increase accordingly.
Anonymous
02/07/2025 13:07
Subject: Which country to live in?
Visas are always an issue. Can’t get reality based answers otherwise.
Anonymous
02/07/2025 13:07
Subject: Which country to live in?
Anonymous wrote:Let’s say you are a fed+private sector fam that is thoroughly terrorized like Vought wanted and contemplating an exit.
What country would you move to for the next 20-30 years (assume visa isn’t an issue)? Two kids in two, including one going to college in 4 years. Both highly educated looking for highish income jobs.
Where would you live? Where would you want your kids to go to university?
Most EU/Canada - economy not as robust, lower salaries, could be fine
Middle East - high salaries, high standard of living, no political freedoms
SE Asia - fast growing, interesting opportunities but also authoritarianish (Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia come to mind)
I realize these are regions and big differences are exist between say Germany and Portugal
Spouse and I are private sector, but spouse can get citizenship for self and kids to an EU country through grandparents who were born in that country and lived there until adulthood. We are starting to get paperwork together to apply. It provides options for us and our children, both now and in the future.
Anonymous
02/07/2025 13:02
Subject: Which country to live in?
A lot of wishful thinking and grass is greener on the other side of the fence mentality. Want to move to Denmark? Ha! Good luck! Most EU countries are also going through major populist movements and are no more tolerant of progressive issues than in the US.
OP is stuck here in the US and needs to get over her anxieties and find private sector jobs.
OP is stuck here in the US and needs to get over her anxieties and find private sector jobs.
Anonymous
02/07/2025 13:01
Subject: Re:Which country to live in?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Spain has investor visa open until April, 2025, basically you buy real estate for 500k Euro (it could be an apartment) and you and your family gets the residency. You can apply for citizenship in 10 years, I highly recommend Madrid.
Spain is also implementing a 100% property tax for homes bought by non-EU residents.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7enzjrymxo.amp
This is incorrect. It is not a tax on purchase, more like bringing real estate tax obligations in line with the locals.
Anonymous
02/07/2025 12:46
Subject: Which country to live in?
I never get these posts. Do you not have preferences on where to spend your life?
Anonymous
02/07/2025 12:39
Subject: Which country to live in?
What race/ethnicity are you?
Anonymous
02/07/2025 12:27
Subject: Which country to live in?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How about Afghanistan?
Biden has made it so wonderful for women and girls over there.
Trump released a bunch of Taliban fighters, so yea, I'm sure he added to that paradise.
In the end, Biden was responsible for the dumpster fire of the abrupt and reckless withdrawal crushing the hopes and dreams of thousands upon thousands of Afghanistan women and children.
Anonymous
02/07/2025 12:18
Subject: Which country to live in?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d look for eu where you can get into national health plan and national elder care and subsidized education. That would be ideal. I’d love to know how one does this.
You pay out of pocket. It is cheaper than any premium here. No plan needed. Our last ER for broken hand was $120. A kid's allergic reaction to a cat and 4 hour stay was $40, and our baby's fever and ambulance coming out was free. They didn't even ask if the kid had insurance. They come out really fast for children.
For eldercare there's social services, neighbors, retirement homes, and you can always hire someone part time for 500 euros.
Which country and how are you legally allowed to reside there?
some EU countries have visa programs where you just need to either buy property, or you get a job there (there a list of jobs that are in high demand), or you can get a digital nomad visa, or if your grandparent was born there, ie Ireland. There are various ways to do this, but of course, it doesn't work for everyone.
Anonymous
02/07/2025 12:16
Subject: Which country to live in?
Anonymous wrote:How about Afghanistan?
Biden has made it so wonderful for women and girls over there.
Trump released a bunch of Taliban fighters, so yea, I'm sure he added to that paradise.
Anonymous
02/07/2025 12:10
Subject: Re:Which country to live in?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Spain has investor visa open until April, 2025, basically you buy real estate for 500k Euro (it could be an apartment) and you and your family gets the residency. You can apply for citizenship in 10 years, I highly recommend Madrid.
Spain is also implementing a 100% property tax for homes bought by non-EU residents.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7enzjrymxo.amp
Oh wow. Glad I’m an EU citizen.
Anonymous
02/07/2025 12:09
Subject: Re:Which country to live in?
Anonymous wrote:Spain has investor visa open until April, 2025, basically you buy real estate for 500k Euro (it could be an apartment) and you and your family gets the residency. You can apply for citizenship in 10 years, I highly recommend Madrid.
Spain is also implementing a 100% property tax for homes bought by non-EU residents.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7enzjrymxo.amp
Anonymous
02/07/2025 12:09
Subject: Which country to live in?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d look for eu where you can get into national health plan and national elder care and subsidized education. That would be ideal. I’d love to know how one does this.
You pay out of pocket. It is cheaper than any premium here. No plan needed. Our last ER for broken hand was $120. A kid's allergic reaction to a cat and 4 hour stay was $40, and our baby's fever and ambulance coming out was free. They didn't even ask if the kid had insurance. They come out really fast for children.
For eldercare there's social services, neighbors, retirement homes, and you can always hire someone part time for 500 euros.
Which country and how are you legally allowed to reside there?