Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 06:59     Subject: 20,000 took the Fork?
Only person I know of who took it is a new employee wouldn't qualify for severance in the event of a RIF.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 06:40     Subject: Re:20,000 took the Fork?
Anonymous wrote:Just a question--I'm not a fed--why wouldn't probationary employees take this? It seems as if they will get fired anyway, so signing gets them something.
Because the money will not be paid. The “deal” is as scam. Plus, probationary employee cannot be fired for any or no reason; they are only be fired for poor performance.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 06:38     Subject: 20,000 took the Fork?
Anonymous wrote:The people I know who took it are eligible for VERA (so they'll get that even if the fork doesn't pan out) or had already been hired for a new job and were leaving anyway.

Typically about 6% of feds leave each year so this might accelerate them a bit (at a considerable cost) but isn't going to make a noticeable difference overall in most places except general chaos and distraction. But if all the psychologists at a given VA hospital, or all the staff at a little Social Security field office, or both lawyers who know some obscure provision of the internal revenue code, all happen to take the fork it will cause some localized problems.


Anyone who took this thinking they will get VERA down the line is an idiot. Personally I would not want to complicate my transition to a new job or retirement with a wildcard like this either. Who wants to be on admin leave while trying to figure out the details of those transitions?
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 06:30     Subject: Re:20,000 took the Fork?
Anonymous wrote:Just a question--I'm not a fed--why wouldn't probationary employees take this? It seems as if they will get fired anyway, so signing gets them something.


They've lined it up nicely that admin leave starts March 1 and the budget expires March 14. I think once Congress comes up with a new budget, anybody who took this offer is going to find themselves not appropriated for, in other words SOL. By resigning you are not entitled to unemployment. Also by signing, you are waiving your rights to sue for breech of contract.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 06:25     Subject: Re:20,000 took the Fork?
Anonymous wrote:Just a question--I'm not a fed--why wouldn't probationary employees take this? It seems as if they will get fired anyway, so signing gets them something.

They’re not eligible to take it.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 06:19     Subject: Re:20,000 took the Fork?
Anonymous wrote:Just a question--I'm not a fed--why wouldn't probationary employees take this? It seems as if they will get fired anyway, so signing gets them something.


“It seems” as you said. They don’t know for sure.

I know of one lawyer in GC office taking it. 2 of my staff took it.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 01:10     Subject: 20,000 took the Fork?
I think you’re underestimating the number of people who were on the fence about leaving before the election, and this just pushed them to do it.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 00:52     Subject: 20,000 took the Fork?
20,000? LOL, that is laughably low. Pathetic Trumper losers can't get shit done.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 00:49     Subject: 20,000 took the Fork?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t know a single person who trusts them to keep their word.


I know more than a single person who does. I don't. But I know of people who are taking this deal and seem to trust it. All fellow lawyers.


No, you are FOS.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 00:36     Subject: Re:20,000 took the Fork?
Just a question--I'm not a fed--why wouldn't probationary employees take this? It seems as if they will get fired anyway, so signing gets them something.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:43     Subject: 20,000 took the Fork?
The people I know who took it are eligible for VERA (so they'll get that even if the fork doesn't pan out) or had already been hired for a new job and were leaving anyway.

Typically about 6% of feds leave each year so this might accelerate them a bit (at a considerable cost) but isn't going to make a noticeable difference overall in most places except general chaos and distraction. But if all the psychologists at a given VA hospital, or all the staff at a little Social Security field office, or both lawyers who know some obscure provision of the internal revenue code, all happen to take the fork it will cause some localized problems.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:05     Subject: 20,000 took the Fork?
Anonymous wrote:I think that's a made up number is what I think.


This exactly.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:04     Subject: 20,000 took the Fork?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t know a single person who trusts them to keep their word.


I know more than a single person who does. I don't. But I know of people who are taking this deal and seem to trust it. All fellow lawyers.


I don't believe that at all. None of the lawyers I've talked to believe a single thing in the fork agreement. In fact, the ones who came from Biglaw all universally claim private sector law firms would have summarily fired them for drafting an agreement or FAQ like this fork garbage.


We’re not in a world where we’re living by the rule of law.

It was drafted by a 19 to 22-year-old incel so yeah, no doubt it sucked.

The first email the little boys sent everybody deleted because it looked like spam.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:03     Subject: Re:20,000 took the Fork?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:20,000 is a pathetic number.

Everybody I know that’s retiring this year is just taking it so they can get the hell out and generally 70,000 people retire a year and 70,000 people find new jobs so if their numbers aren’t close to 150,000 they’re pathetic.



No. they are not pathetic and all of the childish name-calling isn't going to change ine thing. This is just a start and it needs to be done. And yes I was at an agency and saw my supervisees in action. It was actually appalling how many - well, actually most - employees were abusing the agencyz And before you call me childish names, I am not a Trumper


It’s a pathetic number and they won’t get above the normal attrition.

You don’t have to be a Trumper to be stupid. You really just don’t get it and you sound really stupid. Reality has numbers don’t lie and his numbers suck. 20,000 is pathetic.

The number of people is deporting is less than half but normally get deported.

Price of eggs are high.

Tariffs are gonna make everything expensive

It’s a disaster. He sucks. Elon sucks the incel five are destroying their lives.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:00     Subject: 20,000 took the Fork?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t know a single person who trusts them to keep their word.


I know more than a single person who does. I don't. But I know of people who are taking this deal and seem to trust it. All fellow lawyers.


I don't believe that at all. None of the lawyers I've talked to believe a single thing in the fork agreement. In fact, the ones who came from Biglaw all universally claim private sector law firms would have summarily fired them for drafting an agreement or FAQ like this fork garbage.