Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:40     Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let me point out I have the utmost respect for veterans and think we as a country owe them for their service. But if you use their military service as a "leg up" in the private sector or for government jobs isn't that just another DEI classification? Just want to debate the merits of it if GOP wants to do away with all DEI.


It's earned.


Maybe earned if you served in combat.

But lots of veterans never did. Many were desk jockeys, turned wrenches in a motor pool or other things, just like any other ordinary job. I don't see how they "earned" anything that any other worker did in that case.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:40     Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's how JD Vance got into Yale Law School.


I’ve heard that he also used “economic diversity” because he was from WV


Also geographic diversity. Easier to get into Yale from rural WV, they literally lower the qualifications based solely on geography! That is the opposite of merit.


Once again, he graduated from Ohio State summa cum laude.
That probably had something to do with his acceptance to Yale.


Do you give the same benefit of the doubt to others in perceived DEI categories?
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:39     Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's how JD Vance got into Yale Law School.


I’ve heard that he also used “economic diversity” because he was from WV


He isn't from WV. He's from Ohio.

The part of Ohio he’s from might as well be West Virginia.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:37     Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Veteran status is often given preference, so yes. Like race and disability, they must be qualified first but yes, they will be given preference once that’s established.


When something is given preference, it doesn't automatically equate to DEI.

Someone may be given preference because they graduated college or HS with a high GPA. Or, they may be given preference because they have successfully managed people in another position. Or they may be given preference because they have experience with a particular software or system.
Lots of reason there is preference in hiring. Basing hiring on race, gender, sexual orientation, or other quality that does not equate to experience or merit is DEI.
You people are so uninformed.


You are uninformed. It’s literally called “preference” in HR. You may hate that it’s technically DEI, but it is.


If you really believe this, you don't understand DEI.


Please keep writing and explain more...
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:36     Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote: What you do while in the military is what can be allocated superior respect, like earning a Purple Heart.


Does my Army Commendation Medal from 1971 count?
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:36     Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's how JD Vance got into Yale Law School.


I’ve heard that he also used “economic diversity” because he was from WV


He isn't from WV. He's from Ohio.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:35     Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No. Being a veteran is simply one of the qualifications a person can list when applying for a job.

It is not like the person is saying he/she is black, hispanic, gay, female, etc. It represents a position that have held in the past.

Not sure why you consider this DEI.


No. When you check the box as a veteran you get preferential treatment. That preference has nothing to do with your ability or qualifications for the job that you applied for. It is a DEI preference.


It's one of the benefits you are promised when you volunteer to serve. Don't like it? Lobby to get military members much higher salaries and other benefits instead.


It's a DEI benefit.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:32     Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No. Being a veteran is simply one of the qualifications a person can list when applying for a job.

It is not like the person is saying he/she is black, hispanic, gay, female, etc. It represents a position that have held in the past.

Not sure why you consider this DEI.


No. When you check the box as a veteran you get preferential treatment. That preference has nothing to do with your ability or qualifications for the job that you applied for. It is a DEI preference.


It's one of the benefits you are promised when you volunteer to serve. Don't like it? Lobby to get military members much higher salaries and other benefits instead.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:31     Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Military service is not DEI. The US military is incredibly diverse. Less than 50 percent of soldiers are white males. Whatever preference federal hiring may give to former service members, it's not because of their race, gender, orientation etc. It's simply a recognition of their service to the country and to give them a small boost as they transition into the civilian world. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If people are upset about it, they have every opportunity to serve themselves.


There’s nothing wrong with it all. It IS, however, giving preference and therefore no different than DEI.


That's like saying that people receive preference for having a law degree or coding skills. Being given preference for being a certain race is not the same thing as being given preference for having served your nation.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:28     Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No. Being a veteran is simply one of the qualifications a person can list when applying for a job.

It is not like the person is saying he/she is black, hispanic, gay, female, etc. It represents a position that have held in the past.

Not sure why you consider this DEI.


No. When you check the box as a veteran you get preferential treatment. That preference has nothing to do with your ability or qualifications for the job that you applied for. It is a DEI preference.


It's an earned preference. It's part of the contract you sign when you commit yourself to live and die for your country during the term of your contract.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:27     Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
I don’t have superior respect “just because” they are veterans. Serving in the military is a job. What you do while in the military is what can be allocated superior respect, like earning a Purple Heart

There really shouldn’t be veteran preference for government jobs.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:27     Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:Let me point out I have the utmost respect for veterans and think we as a country owe them for their service. But if you use their military service as a "leg up" in the private sector or for government jobs isn't that just another DEI classification? Just want to debate the merits of it if GOP wants to do away with all DEI.


It's earned.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:27     Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:
Really? That's what you think?

You don't think that graduating from Ohio State summa cum laude had anything to do with that?


OSU is the largest degree mill in the country with over well 10,000 grads a year. He has a soft degree in poli sci.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:25     Subject: Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Of course it's a DEI category.

My agency ended its veteran affinity group, along with affinity groups for women, LGBTQ, AAPI, Hispanic/Latino, African-Americans, etc.

They are all gone.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2025 11:25     Subject: Re:Is being a veteran a DEI classification?
Anonymous wrote:It's how JD Vance got into Yale Law School.


Funny how JD never references his undergrad GPA or LSAT score, huh.

Or what other law schools he applied to? Almost as if he knew he was a YLS shoo-in. Then he gets to campus and immediately gets groomed by neocon kingmaker professors with media contracts. Probably just a series of coincidences…