Anonymous wrote:I have contempt for your empathy if your empathy means we borrow money to pay for stuff today that my young adult kid will pay for - one way or another - in 20 or 25 years.

I have contempt for your empathy if you view every problem as simply requiring more spending on the same solutions.

I have contempt for your empathy when your empathy is a thinly veiled way of breeding dependence on government or of dividing the population.

Capiche?

That’s not how you spell capisce.
Also no you’re not really answering the question. Are you saying you think liberal empathy is disingenuous and you dislike that? Or it’s impractical financially? Or both? And if so, which is more irritating?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s contempt as much as it is people think that your idea of empathy is overrated.

Some people prioritize sane and logical decision making to empathy.

This. Liberals use “empathy” as a cudgel to manipulate people and get their way.

Examples are like not wanting to use pronouns- “Why are you so transphobic? You know you could be more emphatic and just do it!!!”

Taking note of the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants that are putting a huge strain on housing, hospitals and schools “If only you could walk in their shoes and acted like a Christian”

ok this is super interesting.
as a liberal it feels like it just isn't really an inconvenience to use someone's pronouns BUT i do agree it kind of went to like a weird place. but i think the tension is that the need to do it felt like - quite small, vs the performance of doing it.
but i do think if someone wants you to use whatever pronoun you should just suck it up and do it no? just dont make it into a whole song and dance.

Why do you believe compelled speech is empathetic? I am genuinely asking; I honestly do not understand why liberals believe forcing speech of others is empathetic.

I do think it is.
We are forced to be polite all the time so as not to hurt people or to be respectful. My kids school they call teachers by their first name but for a while they went to school in Fla and were asked to call them ‘miss x’. That was forced speech. But whatev. That was important to those teachers

Anonymous wrote:No more than progressives have empathy for conservatives (they don't).

Trump is behaving like a conservative equivalent of a progressive president. Funny how hysterical a lot of you are.

Logic fail x2

No more than progressives have empathy for conservatives (they don't).

Trump is behaving like a conservative equivalent of a progressive president. Funny how hysterical a lot of you are.

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Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.

Maybe all Magas - Trump voters - are not all the same, just as all Democratic voters - liberals - are not all the same.

Crux of the issue. In this two party country we are forced to choose one side, but it doesn't mean that we blindly support everything that the party represents or that we are all the same as humans.

I can't understand the simplistic mind that would even ask this question. But it is not a real question anyway, just a provocation.

It means that you accept everything that party does. Nothing is a dealbreaker for you.

Anonymous wrote:Liberals need to have empathy for my wallet.

Why do they make affording life so, soooko difficult because of their taxes and all do the red tape that drives up costs for everything? They don't have problems giving out free housing to foreign nationals in swanky cities like New York or San Fran, but if you're a citizen, they want to upzone and ruin your neighborhood while taxing the ever loving crap out of you for the privilege to the point it makes being able to love and pay bills difficult.

Spare me the speeches about 'empathy'. Liberals have zero empathy for our own citizens. Everything they do makes everything worse.

Umm, you can’t really believe the R’s are going to bring prices down? You do understand that their basic plan is to privatize as much as possible to be able to reap profits for themselves and their rich buddies. Private firms work for profit. That expense is passed on to someone. Guess who that is?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s contempt as much as it is people think that your idea of empathy is overrated.

Some people prioritize sane and logical decision making to empathy.

This. Liberals use “empathy” as a cudgel to manipulate people and get their way.

Examples are like not wanting to use pronouns- “Why are you so transphobic? You know you could be more emphatic and just do it!!!”

Taking note of the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants that are putting a huge strain on housing, hospitals and schools “If only you could walk in their shoes and acted like a Christian”

ok this is super interesting.
as a liberal it feels like it just isn't really an inconvenience to use someone's pronouns BUT i do agree it kind of went to like a weird place. but i think the tension is that the need to do it felt like - quite small, vs the performance of doing it.
but i do think if someone wants you to use whatever pronoun you should just suck it up and do it no? just dont make it into a whole song and dance.

Why do you believe compelled speech is empathetic? I am genuinely asking; I honestly do not understand why liberals believe forcing speech of others is empathetic.

The problem with liberals is that they don’t show enough empathy for bigots.

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Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.

Maybe all Magas - Trump voters - are not all the same, just as all Democratic voters - liberals - are not all the same.

Crux of the issue. In this two party country we are forced to choose one side, but it doesn't mean that we blindly support everything that the party represents or that we are all the same as humans.

I can't understand the simplistic mind that would even ask this question. But it is not a real question anyway, just a provocation.

Empathy can be properly reserved for the truly unfortunate, but can be tempered by a belief that people should help themselves to the maximum extent possible before turning to the government. That perspective results in antipathy to government welfare activities which can be seen as excessive, enabling those who could do better if they chose to but who made life choices which resulted in very low non-welfare incomes. Republicans understandably have little empathy for such people, but can support aid to people who are disabled, or victims of natural disasters - whose misfortunes were not arguably of their own making. There is little empathy for those who claim their situations are the results of societal animus, when it appears obvious enough that such claimants are simply unaccomplished and seek explanations for their own failures, a hidden hand which maliciously works against them which is visible only through statistical arguments which are merely descriptive, not reflective of causation. Similarly, antagonism for illegals is not reflective of a lack of empathy for the poor conditions in other countries which might make people want to emigrate, but reflects instead a belief that breaking U.S. law is not thereby justified.

Anonymous wrote:I have contempt for your empathy if your empathy means we borrow money to pay for stuff today that my young adult kid will pay for - one way or another - in 20 or 25 years.

I have contempt for your empathy if you view every problem as simply requiring more spending on the same solutions.

I have contempt for your empathy when your empathy is a thinly veiled way of breeding dependence on government or of dividing the population.

Capiche?

Like they did for your generation?

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t that a sociopathic trait? to lack empathy? 🤔

Yes.

Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.

Maybe all Magas - Trump voters - are not all the same, just as all Democratic voters - liberals - are not all the same.

Anonymous wrote:Liberals need to have empathy for my wallet.

Why do they make affording life so, soooko difficult because of their taxes and all do the red tape that drives up costs for everything? They don't have problems giving out free housing to foreign nationals in swanky cities like New York or San Fran, but if you're a citizen, they want to upzone and ruin your neighborhood while taxing the ever loving crap out of you for the privilege to the point it makes being able to love and pay bills difficult.

Spare me the speeches about 'empathy'. Liberals have zero empathy for our own citizens. Everything they do makes everything worse.

Ahhh, all the "red tape"...the MAGA boogeyman that's never articulated.

Anonymous wrote:Liberals need to have empathy for my wallet.

Why do they make affording life so, soooko difficult because of their taxes and all do the red tape that drives up costs for everything? They don't have problems giving out free housing to foreign nationals in swanky cities like New York or San Fran, but if you're a citizen, they want to upzone and ruin your neighborhood while taxing the ever loving crap out of you for the privilege to the point it makes being able to love and pay bills difficult.

Spare me the speeches about 'empathy'. Liberals have zero empathy for our own citizens. Everything they do makes everything worse.

Selfishness and greed. See it here for yourself. Money is all that matters. Screw human beings, give me MONEY!

Liberals need to have empathy for my wallet.

Why do they make affording life so, soooko difficult because of their taxes and all do the red tape that drives up costs for everything? They don't have problems giving out free housing to foreign nationals in swanky cities like New York or San Fran, but if you're a citizen, they want to upzone and ruin your neighborhood while taxing the ever loving crap out of you for the privilege to the point it makes being able to love and pay bills difficult.

Spare me the speeches about 'empathy'. Liberals have zero empathy for our own citizens. Everything they do makes everything worse.