Anonymous wrote:I was a consultant/contractor and I had to go to office every day except at height of covid. If you are billing a ton of cash per hour it is reasonable to see they are actually working.

You can track how much work a person is doing by looking at their outcome, data from their computer, etc. Just because you are in the office doesn't mean you are working.

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Anonymous wrote:Then they can get a job there. Or move back.

While 1-2 days/week telework is reasonable, living in Florida isn't.

Who made you in charge of determining what's reasonable and what's not?

Not poster, but I am a taxpayer, therefore I pay your salary. You understand that, don't you?

Well, technically, they pay their salary, too. You understand that, don't you?

Govt employees are a drain on GDP/GNP. They also technically dont even pay income taxes. Why lets save Govt gives you $200,000 pay and you pay $40,000 in Govt taxes. Did you pay anything. You are just paying it with the money the govt gave you.

That make no sense but, ok...

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Anonymous wrote:How about the person(s) 'doing the job' by playing golf four times a week? Asking for a friend.

Come up with a more creative lie. It’s always golf in these stories. Kinda boring.

Its not a lie, they are abusing WFH so they assume everyone else is.

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Anonymous wrote:Then they can get a job there. Or move back.

While 1-2 days/week telework is reasonable, living in Florida isn't.

Who made you in charge of determining what's reasonable and what's not?

Not poster, but I am a taxpayer, therefore I pay your salary. You understand that, don't you?

Well, technically, they pay their salary, too. You understand that, don't you?

Govt employees are a drain on GDP/GNP. They also technically dont even pay income taxes. Why lets save Govt gives you $200,000 pay and you pay $40,000 in Govt taxes. Did you pay anything. You are just paying it with the money the govt gave you.

I was a consultant/contractor and I had to go to office every day except at height of covid. If you are billing a ton of cash per hour it is reasonable to see they are actually working.

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Anonymous wrote:Then they can get a job there. Or move back.

While 1-2 days/week telework is reasonable, living in Florida isn't.

Who made you in charge of determining what's reasonable and what's not?

Not poster, but I am a taxpayer, therefore I pay your salary. You understand that, don't you?

Well, technically, they pay their salary, too. You understand that, don't you?

We are local, but DH has no office to go to except for the one in our house, so still remote.

Anonymous wrote:Retirement isn't a bad thing. It frees up the job market so everyone can move up, and there are jobs for college grads. Let the market work people.

This. And RTO will be good for new people coming up who need to work directly with others in order to learn the ropes and develop relationships.

This level of RTO was always a blip. Most of us saw it for what it was. If you didn't, I'm sorry -- I know this will feel jarring. But the truth is that certain work really should be done in person, a well run office will actually be good for morale, and there are positives to people quitting or retiring if they don't want to return to the office.

Anonymous wrote:No one is losing anyone Folks are just trying to find jobs closer for a shorter commute. Its not like everyone is retiring all at once.

We have been very selective in whom we hire and we are in the office 5 days a week. No shortage of job applicants. We know most are looking because they were asked to RTO. Most applicants aren't even denying it and just need work at this point.

The job market is a lot tougher than folks assume it to be!

THIS! As a hiring manager I can be selective versus 3 years ago when I couldn't find anyone

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Anonymous wrote:How about the person(s) 'doing the job' by playing golf four times a week? Asking for a friend.

Come up with a more creative lie. It’s always golf in these stories. Kinda boring.

I wanna play golf five days a week! Can you imagine somebody’s playing golf five days a week that’s their story. Ffs

A specifically write into all my contracts and have since pre-Covid the contractors must work offsite to save money because I don’t have offices for them.

So the idiot isn’t affecting me

No one is losing anyone Folks are just trying to find jobs closer for a shorter commute. Its not like everyone is retiring all at once.

We have been very selective in whom we hire and we are in the office 5 days a week. No shortage of job applicants. We know most are looking because they were asked to RTO. Most applicants aren't even denying it and just need work at this point.

The job market is a lot tougher than folks assume it to be!

Anonymous wrote:I'm a fed and I know some of my contractors are being told to come in full time. I am really concerned I'm going to lose some of my most experienced, brilliant team members who can easily retire or get a different job. I've told them that obviously they have to follow their employer's guidelines, but that as far as I'm concerned they've been doing exceptional work in our current hybrid setup.

Do you know what the job market is like? There aren’t many remote roles and those that are remote are very competitive. I have friends laid off from tech firms, and places like Peloton who couldn’t find roles for 12+ months and some had to take in person and many had to take roles that paid less.

Moving to Florida when your HQ is say in Virginia is that person’s fault imho.

My DH company gave everyone 6 months notice (years ago!) they needed to be back in office 3 days a week and could only live in X states. We stayed close to the office whereas others moved away and now have to commute in or move.

People knew this was coming so I don’t know why people are so shocked about it. Either stay and RTO or start applying.

Anonymous wrote:How about the person(s) 'doing the job' by playing golf four times a week? Asking for a friend.

Come up with a more creative lie. It’s always golf in these stories. Kinda boring.

Anonymous wrote:We just got done negotiating a huge contract renewal. The agency was pushing for cost cuts so we offered putting more of our people remote so we could save on office costs. They took it. Those realities are going to play out over and over.

Exactly. If the gov't wants contractors in seats, they will pay the costs of that.