Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:44
Subject: Re:NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe they suddenly are experiencing a lack of sea parting for straight men in society and are having breakdowns and being crybabies. Mad because society has started to value competence and excellence over gender/race/physical appearance/stereotypes of what kind of people should be in what roles in society.
How old are you? Just curious.
Old enough to remember when stereotypes held women and minorities back from certain careers, leadership roles, etc. Young enough to appreciate society's evolution.
Ah. At first I thought you were 20. Now I see that you are 80. Well, glad you have men all figured out. You should go tell them, straighten them out. Since some of them seem to be struggling.
dp.. well, they do seem to be struggling, so clearly, someone needs to set them straight. Why not a middle aged woman who has had to deal with their fair share of BS from men like them?
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:43
Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
The other thread on this has been eye-opening.
I'm beginning to see how Trump won. He's a voice for the marginalized and straight white dudes now see themselves that way due to overzealous DEI practices.
I find some DEI practices a bit too restrictive. We had a female employee give notice and to maintain a "good ratio" on our team, my supervisor said the new hire had to be a woman. So boobs > qualifications, cool.
I'm beginning to see how Trump won. He's a voice for the marginalized and straight white dudes now see themselves that way due to overzealous DEI practices.
I find some DEI practices a bit too restrictive. We had a female employee give notice and to maintain a "good ratio" on our team, my supervisor said the new hire had to be a woman. So boobs > qualifications, cool.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:43
Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here… how do we stop this victimization? And are they really actually victims? I find it very hard to believe this. Is there any actual evidence of this?
All women are the victims. Not men.
But the men are claiming they are victims in the article!
erroneously
Exactly. How dare men try to get in on victim status? In the victim Olympics, women come in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. With gay men coming in 4th.
Straight men have no chance of medaling.
I think black people come in first, hispanics second, women third, gay men fourth (although gay men have been killed just for being gay and have struggles of their own in certain situations)
You may think so, but it is always white women. White women who win the victim Olympics.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:42
Subject: Re:NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe they suddenly are experiencing a lack of sea parting for straight men in society and are having breakdowns and being crybabies. Mad because society has started to value competence and excellence over gender/race/physical appearance/stereotypes of what kind of people should be in what roles in society.
How old are you? Just curious.
dp.. I'm 54 F, and agree with ^PP. They ruled the world since the beginning of time, and now women have some control over their lives and more opportunities, and don't want to be treated like property, and all of a sudden those men are all.. "waah we feel lost".
Women have up'd their game over the past 30 years, but men have barely moved. They want women to make all the compromises -- we should not have a career and just have babies -- while they don't want to make any -- no, men don't want to do half the house chores and childcare other than maybe minimal effort.
Not saying all men are like this, but men who complain about their role in society sure are whiners.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:42
Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I want to speak specifically to the door holding thing:
20 years ago I was an intern in the US Senate and gave constituent tours. In between making up facts about the capitol building, I had to usher people through doors that required a badge swipe to access. Standard procedure was: I swipe my badge, open door, hold it as they all walk through, I close door and secure it.
This would *break* some of the men on my tours. Especially older men, but young ones too. They couldn't handle having a 20 yr old woman hold a door open for them. Some of them would try to forcibly take the door from me. Most would just stand there, waiting for me to go through the door before them. I would explain i had to go through last. They would persist, say things like "I wasn't raised that way."
It was a small inconvenience but it was also deranged and really stuck with me. Perhaps they just struggled with a rule that had always been drilled into them (ladies first). Or perhaps the role reversal felt like a loss of status and control.
But that's what I thought about when I read the thing about these men feeling like women didn't want them to hold open doors for them.
Sorry you had to deal with this. So stupid.
I agree. Women never behave awkwardly or follow rules that may not apply in some situations. We are perfect! And also victims!
Stfu
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:42
Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here… how do we stop this victimization? And are they really actually victims? I find it very hard to believe this. Is there any actual evidence of this?
All women are the victims. Not men.
But the men are claiming they are victims in the article!
erroneously
Exactly. How dare men try to get in on victim status? In the victim Olympics, women come in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. With gay men coming in 4th.
Straight men have no chance of medaling.
I think black people come in first, hispanics second, women third, gay men fourth (although gay men have been killed just for being gay and have struggles of their own in certain situations)
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:42
Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I want to speak specifically to the door holding thing:
20 years ago I was an intern in the US Senate and gave constituent tours. In between making up facts about the capitol building, I had to usher people through doors that required a badge swipe to access. Standard procedure was: I swipe my badge, open door, hold it as they all walk through, I close door and secure it.
This would *break* some of the men on my tours. Especially older men, but young ones too. They couldn't handle having a 20 yr old woman hold a door open for them. Some of them would try to forcibly take the door from me. Most would just stand there, waiting for me to go through the door before them. I would explain i had to go through last. They would persist, say things like "I wasn't raised that way."
It was a small inconvenience but it was also deranged and really stuck with me. Perhaps they just struggled with a rule that had always been drilled into them (ladies first). Or perhaps the role reversal felt like a loss of status and control.
But that's what I thought about when I read the thing about these men feeling like women didn't want them to hold open doors for them.
Sorry you had to deal with this. So stupid.
I agree. Women never behave awkwardly or follow rules that may not apply in some situations. We are perfect! And also victims!
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:41
Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:I want to speak specifically to the door holding thing:
20 years ago I was an intern in the US Senate and gave constituent tours. In between making up facts about the capitol building, I had to usher people through doors that required a badge swipe to access. Standard procedure was: I swipe my badge, open door, hold it as they all walk through, I close door and secure it.
This would *break* some of the men on my tours. Especially older men, but young ones too. They couldn't handle having a 20 yr old woman hold a door open for them. Some of them would try to forcibly take the door from me. Most would just stand there, waiting for me to go through the door before them. I would explain i had to go through last. They would persist, say things like "I wasn't raised that way."
It was a small inconvenience but it was also deranged and really stuck with me. Perhaps they just struggled with a rule that had always been drilled into them (ladies first). Or perhaps the role reversal felt like a loss of status and control.
But that's what I thought about when I read the thing about these men feeling like women didn't want them to hold open doors for them.
OP here… making up facts…lol. I have heard that from many folks who were interns on the Hill.
But this illustrates exactly what I am talking about. Why exactly is it so hard for men to get over this? Just be polite and respectful. It isn’t that deep.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:40
Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:I want to speak specifically to the door holding thing:
20 years ago I was an intern in the US Senate and gave constituent tours. In between making up facts about the capitol building, I had to usher people through doors that required a badge swipe to access. Standard procedure was: I swipe my badge, open door, hold it as they all walk through, I close door and secure it.
This would *break* some of the men on my tours. Especially older men, but young ones too. They couldn't handle having a 20 yr old woman hold a door open for them. Some of them would try to forcibly take the door from me. Most would just stand there, waiting for me to go through the door before them. I would explain i had to go through last. They would persist, say things like "I wasn't raised that way."
It was a small inconvenience but it was also deranged and really stuck with me. Perhaps they just struggled with a rule that had always been drilled into them (ladies first). Or perhaps the role reversal felt like a loss of status and control.
But that's what I thought about when I read the thing about these men feeling like women didn't want them to hold open doors for them.
Sorry you had to deal with this. So stupid.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:40
Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here… how do we stop this victimization? And are they really actually victims? I find it very hard to believe this. Is there any actual evidence of this?
All women are the victims. Not men.
But the men are claiming they are victims in the article!
erroneously
Exactly. How dare men try to get in on victim status? In the victim Olympics, women come in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. With gay men coming in 4th.
Straight men have no chance of medaling.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:38
Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Your vote isn’t superior to a man’s vote.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:38
Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
I want to speak specifically to the door holding thing:
20 years ago I was an intern in the US Senate and gave constituent tours. In between making up facts about the capitol building, I had to usher people through doors that required a badge swipe to access. Standard procedure was: I swipe my badge, open door, hold it as they all walk through, I close door and secure it.
This would *break* some of the men on my tours. Especially older men, but young ones too. They couldn't handle having a 20 yr old woman hold a door open for them. Some of them would try to forcibly take the door from me. Most would just stand there, waiting for me to go through the door before them. I would explain i had to go through last. They would persist, say things like "I wasn't raised that way."
It was a small inconvenience but it was also deranged and really stuck with me. Perhaps they just struggled with a rule that had always been drilled into them (ladies first). Or perhaps the role reversal felt like a loss of status and control.
But that's what I thought about when I read the thing about these men feeling like women didn't want them to hold open doors for them.
20 years ago I was an intern in the US Senate and gave constituent tours. In between making up facts about the capitol building, I had to usher people through doors that required a badge swipe to access. Standard procedure was: I swipe my badge, open door, hold it as they all walk through, I close door and secure it.
This would *break* some of the men on my tours. Especially older men, but young ones too. They couldn't handle having a 20 yr old woman hold a door open for them. Some of them would try to forcibly take the door from me. Most would just stand there, waiting for me to go through the door before them. I would explain i had to go through last. They would persist, say things like "I wasn't raised that way."
It was a small inconvenience but it was also deranged and really stuck with me. Perhaps they just struggled with a rule that had always been drilled into them (ladies first). Or perhaps the role reversal felt like a loss of status and control.
But that's what I thought about when I read the thing about these men feeling like women didn't want them to hold open doors for them.
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:38
Subject: Re:NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Maybe they suddenly are experiencing a lack of sea parting for straight men in society and are having breakdowns and being crybabies. Mad because society has started to value competence and excellence over gender/race/physical appearance/stereotypes of what kind of people should be in what roles in society.
Surely you jest. CA anyone?
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:38
Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here… how do we stop this victimization? And are they really actually victims? I find it very hard to believe this. Is there any actual evidence of this?
All women are the victims. Not men.
But the men are claiming they are victims in the article!
erroneously
Anonymous
01/16/2025 16:36
Subject: NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here… how do we stop this victimization? And are they really actually victims? I find it very hard to believe this. Is there any actual evidence of this?
All women are the victims. Not men.
But the men are claiming they are victims in the article!