Health inspectors and hygiene trainings at restaurants where Ive worked have always said clean hands are no different than gloves. None of my employers ever required gloves.

An unconscientious and unhygienic person who touches money and their face and rubs their nose without washing their hands is probably going to do the same without changing gloves.

I can’t believe people are still promoting the discredited wet market theory. People! If the virus came from nature, we would have discovered the intermediate host by now. Not only did the FBI produce evidence of this and Wray acknowledged their findings, Biden administrators suppressed it at the time so the president was kept in the dark, and the House panel also investigated all of this in their report and agreed with the findings of the intelligence community.

Please stop promoting outdated information on these boards.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure it’s been researched and confirmed the Covid outbreak started from animals sold in a market in China. Oh, and bird flu. I don’t know that “Asia” is the epitome of food safety standards you think it is.

Lol. Still skipping the lab leak, are we?

Anyway, I have been all over Asia and rarely see food sanitation practices that meet those at a McDonalds outside wealthy areas of major cities.

+100000 I can't belive people are still thinking this happened at a wet market. I can't. It's like they've done zero research about the lab, what happened, who was funding the lab....

Jesus.

Epidemiological studies of how the virus spread in the beginning are not consistent with the lab leak theory, and there is zero direct evidence to support the theory.

First, for a variety of reasons (including both response to the outbreak and stonewalling, some of it I believe the province as opposed to the CCP) it will never be possible to state with absolute certainty what the source was, which means such a leak perhaps cannot be ruled out, but
after years of rumours that the virus
that causes COVID-19 escaped froma
laboratory in China, the virologist at
the heart of the claims has presented
data on dozens of new coronaviruses
collected from bats in southern China. Ata
conference in Japan this month, Shi Zhengli,
a specialist on bat coronaviruses, reported
that none of the viruses stored in her freezers
are the most recent ancestors of the virus
SARS-CovV-2.
Shi was leading coronavirus research at the
Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), a high-level
biosafety laboratory, when the first cases of
COVID-19 were reported in that city. Soon
afterwards, theories emerged that the virus
had leaked — either by accident or deliberately
— from the WIV.
Shi has consistently said that SARS-CoV-2
was never seen or studied in her lab. But some
commentators have continued to ask whether
one of the many bat coronaviruses her team
collected in southern China over decades was
closely related to it. Shi promised to sequence
the genomes of the coronaviruses and release
the data.
The latest analysis, which has not been
peer reviewed, includes data from the whole
genomes of 56 new betacoronaviruses, the
broad group to which SARS-CoV-2 belongs, as
well as some partial sequences. All the viruses
were collected between 2004 and 2021.
“We didn’t find any new sequences which
are more closely related to SARS-CoV-1 and
SARS-CoV-2,” said Shi, ina pre-recorded presentation at the conference, Preparing for the
Next Pandemic: Evolution, Pathogenesis and
Virology of Coronaviruses, in Awaji, Japan,
on 4 December. Earlier this year, Shi moved
from the WIVtothe Guangzhou Laboratory, a
newly established national research institute
for infectious diseases.
The results support her assertion that
the WIV lab did not have any bat-derived
sequences from viruses that were more closely
related to SARS-CoV-2 than were any already
described in scientific papers, says Jonathan
Pekar, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Edinburgh, UK. “This just validates what
she was saying: that she did not have anything
extremely closely related, as we’ve seen in the
years since,” he says.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2448671-evidence-points-to-wuhan-market-as-source-of-covid-19-outbreak/ has information about indications of likely animal sources of the virus.
https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2023/03/21/wuhan-market-samples-contained-covid-and-animal-mixtures-report-says/ has more.

Too much politics --geopolitical, domestic, and academic--contaminated the lab leak theory, which arose from total speculation to begin with: https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/25/1027140/lab-leak-alina-chan/

The social contract is dead here.

I once went to an apple orchard where they made the cider donuts on site and had the production/bakery area visible while you waited in line. The guy working the giant stand mixer had about a 12 inch beard uncovered and was wearing one of those tank tops with the huge arm holes. Every time he would adjust the settings his armpit hair would
Hang right over the batter. It was so disgusting. I did not buy any donuts.

Anonymous wrote:I wish the hygiene practices of my Asian coworkers would follow from food service to the restroom. I’ve never seen dirtier hygiene practices in a restroom setting than from my Asian coworkers. Let’s just say, squatting is the preferred method - and it gets everywhere.

I’m guessing you’re referring to the subcontinent, not the far east. In which case, yes, it’s bad.