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Anonymous wrote:Villanova is a great school for a good student who is interested in Catholic colleges. St. joe’s is relatively nearby and could be a good backup if he likes the Philly area.

Was also going to suggest SJU as an alternative to Villanova.

Yes! There are plenty of families where one parent is an SJU alum and the other a Villanova alum, or where one kid attends SJU and the other Villanova. Same thing with grandparents, cousins, etc. Both Villanova and SJU have deep roots in Philadelphia and the surrounding area.

Anonymous wrote:Villanova is a great school for a good student who is interested in Catholic colleges. St. joe’s is relatively nearby and could be a good backup if he likes the Philly area.

Was also going to suggest SJU as an alternative to Villanova.

Anonymous wrote:I think Seton Hall is getting trashed here ... to be fair, OP, you didn't say until recently that your kid has a 4.0.

So, you probably want more selective than Seton Hall.

Definitely look at St. Joe's while you are in Philly visiting Villanova.

But for a kid who wants a good basketball scene and likes Catholic colleges, Providence was a great suggestion (I think this school is underrated), and you might as well check out Fordham, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Fall 2023 data

Middle 50 percentiles for SAT
Villanova EBRW 690-740, math 710-770 with 25% reporting SAT, 11% reporting ACT
Seton Hall EBRW 620-700, math 600-700, with 24% reporting SAT, 4% reporting ACT

Acceptance rate
Villanova 25%
Seton Hall 79%

USNews rank Sept 2024
Villanova #58 National Universities
Seton Hall #165 National Universities

Ah, finally some data grounded in reality! As a Georgetown MBA alumna, I interpret the Verbal SAT scores as showing scant difference between the academic chops of the average Villanova and Seton Hall undergrad liberal arts students. As pp shared, the majority of Villi students score slightly higher than Seton Hall, with 690 - 740 as compared to the New Jersey school’s 620 - 700.

The real difference is in the math scores, and this is likely a reflection of the wealthier Villi applicants’ families paying for more math tutoring than Seton Halls, as well as Villi’s much stronger student placement into banking, finance, and consulting.

Seton Hall has an excellent IR program, as well as very good preparation for law schools including the well respected Seton Hall Law School. (Villanova also has a strong law school, fwiw, but we are focusing on undergrad here).

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone visited both, and how do they compare? Looking for thoughts on how the two Catholic-based schools compare it is for an OOS student DMV. Not interested in Georgetown. How do those two compare such as is either more tight-knit, the academics, sports and activities, and dorms?

Don't worry. If you're looking at Villanova and Seton Hall, Georgetown wasn't an option anyway.

As a Georgetown alumna, your entitled, gratuitous response makes me hope you and none of your spawn are Hoyas. Your pompous comment does not reflect the spirit of cura personalis. I pray you reflect on your actions.

For your information, plenty of people who have Georgetown degrees no longer choose it for their kids due to financial constraints.

OP, there are differences between the Jesuit and Catholic (Dominican, LaSallian, etc) universities. Georgetown is Jesuit, which is the most liberal order of Catholics. Villanova and Seton Hall are Catholic, but not Jesuit.

What is your kid looking to study and what are the expected outcomes? I’m happy to help with suggestions after hearing back from you or wading through the condescending responses to your post.

I think Seton Hall is getting trashed here ... to be fair, OP, you didn't say until recently that your kid has a 4.0.

So, you probably want more selective than Seton Hall.

Definitely look at St. Joe's while you are in Philly visiting Villanova.

But for a kid who wants a good basketball scene and likes Catholic colleges, Providence was a great suggestion (I think this school is underrated), and you might as well check out Fordham, too.

Anonymous wrote:Night and day. Fairfield U is perhaps in between.

Came here to say this. I bet that most of the kids at seton hall are within a 2 hour drive of the school.

Villanova is a great school for a good student who is interested in Catholic colleges. St. joe’s is relatively nearby and could be a good backup if he likes the Philly area.

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone visited both, and how do they compare? Looking for thoughts on how the two Catholic-based schools compare it is for an OOS student DMV. Not interested in Georgetown. How do those two compare such as is either more tight-knit, the academics, sports and activities, and dorms?

Don't worry. If you're looking at Villanova and Seton Hall, Georgetown wasn't an option anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:NP: I think OP has a thing against the Jesuits, or against Jesuit schools . . . .

No, just is not interested in applying to Georgetown. Doesn't want to be in DC itself. We are Catholic, kid went to Catholic school, that's the extent of the reason on the Catholic applications. Just asking about the two schools that I did because teen likes both those when looking into schools closest to DMV. One for basketball, and the other has friends applying to Villanova. No other reason.

Well, if that's the case, you can consider all the Jesuit schools. Providence College too (which is not Jesuit)!

Yes, but would have to drive past Villanova and Seton Hall to get to Rhode Island. If not the first two, the third choice was Notre Dame, but no due to location.

OK, is this for real? There's no way these schools would fit for the same student. *Maybe* Villanova could be a safety for Notre Dame. Seton Hall I'd guess is non-selective; no student who could be admitted at ND (or Villanova for that matter) would travel out of state for Seton Hall. There are a lot of Catholic schools that have D1 basketball teams. I'd suggest your student think a bit about academic match and geography preference before coming up with a list of schools.

Correction: “no WEALTHY STUDENT student who could be admitted at Notre Dame would…”

ND has financial aid on par with top Ivies. Might be an upper middle class family would not be eligible for need-based aid and decide not to pay out of pocket, though.

Maybe consider Marquette (rolling admissions) if that's not too far. I think ND would be a major stretch and Villanova a bit of a reach regular decision. Great to have James Madison as an option!

Anonymous wrote:Neither both are full of entitled idiots

Theses are the people taking your healthcare soon

Exactly. The out of touch responses on DCUM really scare me for our future.

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Anonymous wrote:NP: I think OP has a thing against the Jesuits, or against Jesuit schools . . . .

No, just is not interested in applying to Georgetown. Doesn't want to be in DC itself. We are Catholic, kid went to Catholic school, that's the extent of the reason on the Catholic applications. Just asking about the two schools that I did because teen likes both those when looking into schools closest to DMV. One for basketball, and the other has friends applying to Villanova. No other reason.

Well, if that's the case, you can consider all the Jesuit schools. Providence College too (which is not Jesuit)!

Yes, but would have to drive past Villanova and Seton Hall to get to Rhode Island. If not the first two, the third choice was Notre Dame, but no due to location.

OK, is this for real? There's no way these schools would fit for the same student. *Maybe* Villanova could be a safety for Notre Dame. Seton Hall I'd guess is non-selective; no student who could be admitted at ND (or Villanova for that matter) would travel out of state for Seton Hall. There are a lot of Catholic schools that have D1 basketball teams. I'd suggest your student think a bit about academic match and geography preference before coming up with a list of schools.

Correction: “no WEALTHY STUDENT student who could be admitted at Notre Dame would…”

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Anonymous wrote:NP: I think OP has a thing against the Jesuits, or against Jesuit schools . . . .

No, just is not interested in applying to Georgetown. Doesn't want to be in DC itself. We are Catholic, kid went to Catholic school, that's the extent of the reason on the Catholic applications. Just asking about the two schools that I did because teen likes both those when looking into schools closest to DMV. One for basketball, and the other has friends applying to Villanova. No other reason.

Well, if that's the case, you can consider all the Jesuit schools. Providence College too (which is not Jesuit)!

Yes, but would have to drive past Villanova and Seton Hall to get to Rhode Island. If not the first two, the third choice was Notre Dame, but no due to location.

OK, is this for real? There's no way these schools would fit for the same student. *Maybe* Villanova could be a safety for Notre Dame. Seton Hall I'd guess is non-selective; no student who could be admitted at ND (or Villanova for that matter) would travel out of state for Seton Hall. There are a lot of Catholic schools that have D1 basketball teams. I'd suggest your student think a bit about academic match and geography preference before coming up with a list of schools.

Stats are 4.0 weighted, APs and extra-curriculars. Geography preference east coast south of NY.

Villanova may be your best fit (assuming scores are in the range). It's maybe a target but not a sure thing for those stats, though. Consider applying early decision.

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Anonymous wrote:NP: I think OP has a thing against the Jesuits, or against Jesuit schools . . . .

No, just is not interested in applying to Georgetown. Doesn't want to be in DC itself. We are Catholic, kid went to Catholic school, that's the extent of the reason on the Catholic applications. Just asking about the two schools that I did because teen likes both those when looking into schools closest to DMV. One for basketball, and the other has friends applying to Villanova. No other reason.

Well, if that's the case, you can consider all the Jesuit schools. Providence College too (which is not Jesuit)!

Yes, but would have to drive past Villanova and Seton Hall to get to Rhode Island. If not the first two, the third choice was Notre Dame, but no due to location.

OK, is this for real? There's no way these schools would fit for the same student. *Maybe* Villanova could be a safety for Notre Dame. Seton Hall I'd guess is non-selective; no student who could be admitted at ND (or Villanova for that matter) would travel out of state for Seton Hall. There are a lot of Catholic schools that have D1 basketball teams. I'd suggest your student think a bit about academic match and geography preference before coming up with a list of schools.

NP. To clarify, while Villanova might be a less-preferred choice, or backup, for ND, its acceptance rate is too low to be a safety.

Yes, I think it is a reach. However, still applying as the reach and RD is due by Jan 15th. Already applied to the usual VA schools UVA, VT. Safety is James Madison and it seems Seton Hall.