Anonymous
12/29/2024 15:33
Subject: Re:Park city ski patrol on strike
I agree that ski patrol needs to be paid a lot more. I hope they get it.
But i’m hoping that everything will settle down soon too. We have a trip planned out there in February.
But i’m hoping that everything will settle down soon too. We have a trip planned out there in February.
Anonymous
12/29/2024 14:12
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
Trump needs to fire these union types and bring in some immigrants to do these jobs for less.
Anonymous
12/29/2024 13:43
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Then management should have done something to avert the strike. People who are haply employees (paid enough to live on, given a schedule with reasonable notice, aren't forced to work overtime, etc.), don't go on strike.
I would not cross the picket line. I'd leave, and demand a refund. Yes, even if it meant we didn't ski
Check your privilege
Check YOURS! Anyone who is a guest at a ski resort is highly privileged.
Anonymous
12/29/2024 13:30
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
Anonymous wrote:I grew up in a ski resort town out West. Not PC but similar. I've never worked at a resort but many friends, neighbors, and family have.
I am firmly on the side of labor here. And I'm not always pro labor. This one is a no brainer though.
Skiing as an industry has gotten disgusting over the last 30 years. A bunch of competing factors: all the resorts being bought up first by foreign investors and now by private equity. Climate change resulting in low snow loads and leading to lots of manufactured snow and totally changing the economics of resorts. And then the huge gulf that has emerged in income inequality between the people who work at resorts and people who go to them.
Back when skiing was more accessible to middle class people, especially people who lived near ski towns, you'd have a wide range of socio-economic levels on the slopes. Especially at a place like Park City, which is large and close to a city with a big middle class population. Sure there have always been rich people flying in and doing the most expensive, VIP version of skiing. But there were also lots of people who made it work at lower price points by splitting house rentals, getting used equipment, scouting deals, etc. And it's that group that the people who work at resorts come from -- middle and working class families who found a way to afford skiing when they were young, fell in love with it, and then get jobs at resorts because it's their passion.
When skiing becomes so expensive that middle class people simply cannot do it, and when everything about these resorts is tailored to cater to the wealthiest patrons -- not just the cost of a lift ticket but food and parking and lodging, even access to certain parts of the ski lodge -- resentment is going to build.
Plus cost of living in these towns has become literally impossible. There was a time when someone working ski patrol could fairly easily afford an apartment or to share an apartment in Park City or Aspen or Tahoe or whatever and still have money leftover. It's almost impossible now. The idea that you can afford to live in Park City during ski season on $21 an hour is absurd.
Meanwhile the people who own these resorts are literal billionaires. These places mint money.
If your vacation was ruined by this strike, I am sorry. But perhaps ruining your vacation is the only way for people working at these places to flex what little power they have left. The people who own these results believe that in a few years they'll be able to automate 90% of operations and not have to deal with labor at all. We'll see. In the meantime, this is what it's going to be like. Plan accordingly. These people are fighting for their livelihood. They don't actually owe you anything.
I am 100% on the side of labor here, but I also think skiing is still accessible to middle-class people in the SLC area. The cost of an epic pass, especially for local families who buy their season pass in the spring, is still accessible. The epic pass has not inflated at the pace of day passes; hence, 1+ hour-long lift lines. You see a lot of local Utah families skiing at Brighton as their season passes, and even food costs are still accessible.
Anonymous
12/29/2024 13:19
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
I grew up in a ski resort town out West. Not PC but similar. I've never worked at a resort but many friends, neighbors, and family have.
I am firmly on the side of labor here. And I'm not always pro labor. This one is a no brainer though.
Skiing as an industry has gotten disgusting over the last 30 years. A bunch of competing factors: all the resorts being bought up first by foreign investors and now by private equity. Climate change resulting in low snow loads and leading to lots of manufactured snow and totally changing the economics of resorts. And then the huge gulf that has emerged in income inequality between the people who work at resorts and people who go to them.
Back when skiing was more accessible to middle class people, especially people who lived near ski towns, you'd have a wide range of socio-economic levels on the slopes. Especially at a place like Park City, which is large and close to a city with a big middle class population. Sure there have always been rich people flying in and doing the most expensive, VIP version of skiing. But there were also lots of people who made it work at lower price points by splitting house rentals, getting used equipment, scouting deals, etc. And it's that group that the people who work at resorts come from -- middle and working class families who found a way to afford skiing when they were young, fell in love with it, and then get jobs at resorts because it's their passion.
When skiing becomes so expensive that middle class people simply cannot do it, and when everything about these resorts is tailored to cater to the wealthiest patrons -- not just the cost of a lift ticket but food and parking and lodging, even access to certain parts of the ski lodge -- resentment is going to build.
Plus cost of living in these towns has become literally impossible. There was a time when someone working ski patrol could fairly easily afford an apartment or to share an apartment in Park City or Aspen or Tahoe or whatever and still have money leftover. It's almost impossible now. The idea that you can afford to live in Park City during ski season on $21 an hour is absurd.
Meanwhile the people who own these resorts are literal billionaires. These places mint money.
If your vacation was ruined by this strike, I am sorry. But perhaps ruining your vacation is the only way for people working at these places to flex what little power they have left. The people who own these results believe that in a few years they'll be able to automate 90% of operations and not have to deal with labor at all. We'll see. In the meantime, this is what it's going to be like. Plan accordingly. These people are fighting for their livelihood. They don't actually owe you anything.
I am firmly on the side of labor here. And I'm not always pro labor. This one is a no brainer though.
Skiing as an industry has gotten disgusting over the last 30 years. A bunch of competing factors: all the resorts being bought up first by foreign investors and now by private equity. Climate change resulting in low snow loads and leading to lots of manufactured snow and totally changing the economics of resorts. And then the huge gulf that has emerged in income inequality between the people who work at resorts and people who go to them.
Back when skiing was more accessible to middle class people, especially people who lived near ski towns, you'd have a wide range of socio-economic levels on the slopes. Especially at a place like Park City, which is large and close to a city with a big middle class population. Sure there have always been rich people flying in and doing the most expensive, VIP version of skiing. But there were also lots of people who made it work at lower price points by splitting house rentals, getting used equipment, scouting deals, etc. And it's that group that the people who work at resorts come from -- middle and working class families who found a way to afford skiing when they were young, fell in love with it, and then get jobs at resorts because it's their passion.
When skiing becomes so expensive that middle class people simply cannot do it, and when everything about these resorts is tailored to cater to the wealthiest patrons -- not just the cost of a lift ticket but food and parking and lodging, even access to certain parts of the ski lodge -- resentment is going to build.
Plus cost of living in these towns has become literally impossible. There was a time when someone working ski patrol could fairly easily afford an apartment or to share an apartment in Park City or Aspen or Tahoe or whatever and still have money leftover. It's almost impossible now. The idea that you can afford to live in Park City during ski season on $21 an hour is absurd.
Meanwhile the people who own these resorts are literal billionaires. These places mint money.
If your vacation was ruined by this strike, I am sorry. But perhaps ruining your vacation is the only way for people working at these places to flex what little power they have left. The people who own these results believe that in a few years they'll be able to automate 90% of operations and not have to deal with labor at all. We'll see. In the meantime, this is what it's going to be like. Plan accordingly. These people are fighting for their livelihood. They don't actually owe you anything.
Anonymous
12/29/2024 13:03
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
Anonymous wrote:Then management should have done something to avert the strike. People who are haply employees (paid enough to live on, given a schedule with reasonable notice, aren't forced to work overtime, etc.), don't go on strike.
I would not cross the picket line. I'd leave, and demand a refund. Yes, even if it meant we didn't ski
They are asking for an increase in base pay from $21 to $23 / hour to keep up with inflation. They were standing outside yesterday in the rain (it's a terrible time to be skiing in Park City for unrelated reasons). Babysitters in Park City get $35/hour. Some people are still skiing but not buying food in the lodges.
Anonymous
12/29/2024 12:56
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Then management should have done something to avert the strike. People who are haply employees (paid enough to live on, given a schedule with reasonable notice, aren't forced to work overtime, etc.), don't go on strike.
I would not cross the picket line. I'd leave, and demand a refund. Yes, even if it meant we didn't ski
Check your privilege
Hahahaha yes the person respecting labor is privileged but not the person crossing the picket line in order to spend $1000s on a rich person's snow playground holiday.
Anonymous
12/29/2024 11:37
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Then management should have done something to avert the strike. People who are haply employees (paid enough to live on, given a schedule with reasonable notice, aren't forced to work overtime, etc.), don't go on strike.
I would not cross the picket line. I'd leave, and demand a refund. Yes, even if it meant we didn't ski
Check your privilege
Why do you think supporting a labor union action is privilege?
Walking away from thousands of dollars, in the form of ski passes, hotel reservations and the change of plane tickets is absolutely a privilege.
Compared to having the money to do all that? Lol.
I just think it's ridiculous to apply that expression.
You have no idea how long it took people to save for a specific vacation.
Anonymous
12/29/2024 11:36
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
More trails open today
Anonymous
12/28/2024 17:54
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Then management should have done something to avert the strike. People who are haply employees (paid enough to live on, given a schedule with reasonable notice, aren't forced to work overtime, etc.), don't go on strike.
I would not cross the picket line. I'd leave, and demand a refund. Yes, even if it meant we didn't ski
Check your privilege
Why do you think supporting a labor union action is privilege?
Walking away from thousands of dollars, in the form of ski passes, hotel reservations and the change of plane tickets is absolutely a privilege.
Compared to having the money to do all that? Lol.
I just think it's ridiculous to apply that expression.
Anonymous
12/28/2024 17:51
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
Starting wages were raised to $21 per hour in 2022, but rising costs equate to what should be a $23 starting wage today. Neighboring resort, Deer Valley, recently raised their starting wage to $23.50 and Powder Mountain-another Utah ski resort-starts ski patrollers at $26 an hour.
A one day lift ticket tomorrow is $328
Three years ago it was $219 for a one day lift ticket. So the ski patrol gets no raise but look how much lift tickets have increased!!
A one day lift ticket tomorrow is $328
Three years ago it was $219 for a one day lift ticket. So the ski patrol gets no raise but look how much lift tickets have increased!!
Anonymous
12/28/2024 17:40
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
Anonymous wrote:Skiing is just a rich man’s hobby at this point. I hope they burn the resorts down
That is crazy.
Anonymous
12/28/2024 17:35
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Then management should have done something to avert the strike. People who are haply employees (paid enough to live on, given a schedule with reasonable notice, aren't forced to work overtime, etc.), don't go on strike.
I would not cross the picket line. I'd leave, and demand a refund. Yes, even if it meant we didn't ski
Check your privilege
ok I checked it and would still do the same.
Anonymous
12/28/2024 17:30
Subject: Park city ski patrol on strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[twitter]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the union starts attacking the people crossing the lines
I know you think you’re so clever but think of all the families who saved all year to be able to take their family on a ski trip. It’s not only the rich that go to Park city. This is not impacting vail management that much because people have already paid for their lift tickets, it’s impacting the guests. Why didn’t they do this in opening week so they weren’t able to open and plan ahead to get more staff there? That would’ve been a bigger impact to the old management than doing it during the holiday week.
This makes up such a small proportion of skiers these days. Most of these people are affluent
For 2 adults and 2 kids, it is $4240 to ski for 4 days. That is crazy! They have enough money to pay the workers a higher wage. Come on.
Not if you have epic pass!
It is 1100 per person
The annual pass was $982. For the entire year.
Which is great for people who are local. But for the 75% who travel there, the cost is spread over 4-5 days.
Most people who buy the annual pass do one trip out west and then do the rest of their visits on weekends or long weekend weekends on the East Coast eg ski liberty, the whitetail. So it’s not spread out over 4 to 5 days. If you’re only going for 4 to 5 days, did you buy the epic day pass which are not 1100.