Anonymous
Post 01/04/2025 14:55     Subject: Re:D1 school
My son and friend are both D1 walk ons 2nd year. One at a top private. The other a decent public.

Male side is late and very different from the women.

There were 8 seniors and 7 5th years on the roster Freshmen year. Only 2 “true” Freshmen.

Oh—just was reading the NCAA is thinking of switching from 4 years of eligibility to 5 years. This will make it even harder …
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 09:40     Subject: D1 school
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Anonymous wrote:If American style football scholarships started to all go to foreigners, there would be an uprising on campuses and the general public. Because soccer doesn't bring in the dollars, the NCAA just lets it go.

That’s absurd. If foreigners were better players and would help their teams win, colleges would do it in a second and it would be applauded. College basketball teams have been recruiting internationally for years and it’s not an issue.


Basketball teams might have one international player on the floor. Some of these soccer teams have 8 or 9 internationals starting.

Yeah because they are better players. Why is that a problem for you?

It's a problem because other countries don't treat higher education the way we do here. In our current system athletics does allow certain people to go to college who may otherwise have been unable to.

Still not seeing what your problem is. Is it that people are getting to go to college only because they are athletes and you are against that? Do you think they are taking spots away from people who are worse players but more deserving of college? I’m honestly curious and trying to understand why international soccer players on college teams is bad.

Who do you think is funding the athletic scholarship? Most athletic departments are $$ losers for their university. Internationals can go to college in their countries their country pays for that.

The “country” does not fund scholarships. They are funded by university revenues, which comes from tuition payments of non-scholarship students, football/basketball programs which actually make money, and alumni donations.

State and federal taxes do go to higher education in this country. Even if it's not specifically earmarked for a scholarship an international student is getting access to facilities and everything else. Student fees go to the athletic departments. So every student at that school is paying more when you have an international student on scholarship rather than not. The primary goal of college should be education. We should be wanting to educate Americans first.

It’s complicated. Colleges do get some tax dollars (much less than they used to) and their mission is to educate. But they are also run as businesses, in competition with each other for students and research money, and marketing and athletics play a big role in attracting students who pay full tuition. International students generally pay full tuition and bring in more than money than they give out to a few international athletes. Expanding a college’s brand internationally is good for bringing in tuition money.
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 08:48     Subject: D1 school
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Anonymous wrote:If American style football scholarships started to all go to foreigners, there would be an uprising on campuses and the general public. Because soccer doesn't bring in the dollars, the NCAA just lets it go.

That’s absurd. If foreigners were better players and would help their teams win, colleges would do it in a second and it would be applauded. College basketball teams have been recruiting internationally for years and it’s not an issue.


Basketball teams might have one international player on the floor. Some of these soccer teams have 8 or 9 internationals starting.

Yeah because they are better players. Why is that a problem for you?

It's a problem because other countries don't treat higher education the way we do here. In our current system athletics does allow certain people to go to college who may otherwise have been unable to.

Still not seeing what your problem is. Is it that people are getting to go to college only because they are athletes and you are against that? Do you think they are taking spots away from people who are worse players but more deserving of college? I’m honestly curious and trying to understand why international soccer players on college teams is bad.

Who do you think is funding the athletic scholarship? Most athletic departments are $$ losers for their university. Internationals can go to college in their countries their country pays for that.

The “country” does not fund scholarships. They are funded by university revenues, which comes from tuition payments of non-scholarship students, football/basketball programs which actually make money, and alumni donations.

State and federal taxes do go to higher education in this country. Even if it's not specifically earmarked for a scholarship an international student is getting access to facilities and everything else. Student fees go to the athletic departments. So every student at that school is paying more when you have an international student on scholarship rather than not. The primary goal of college should be education. We should be wanting to educate Americans first.
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 01:30     Subject: D1 school
If we're talking about a state flagship, supported by tax dollars, yeah, I want in-state kids to get the scholarships, not international kids. Private schools, who don't take state/federal funding, can do what they want.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2025 22:43     Subject: D1 school
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Anonymous wrote:If American style football scholarships started to all go to foreigners, there would be an uprising on campuses and the general public. Because soccer doesn't bring in the dollars, the NCAA just lets it go.

That’s absurd. If foreigners were better players and would help their teams win, colleges would do it in a second and it would be applauded. College basketball teams have been recruiting internationally for years and it’s not an issue.


Basketball teams might have one international player on the floor. Some of these soccer teams have 8 or 9 internationals starting.

Yeah because they are better players. Why is that a problem for you?

It's a problem because other countries don't treat higher education the way we do here. In our current system athletics does allow certain people to go to college who may otherwise have been unable to.

Still not seeing what your problem is. Is it that people are getting to go to college only because they are athletes and you are against that? Do you think they are taking spots away from people who are worse players but more deserving of college? I’m honestly curious and trying to understand why international soccer players on college teams is bad.

Who do you think is funding the athletic scholarship? Most athletic departments are $$ losers for their university. Internationals can go to college in their countries their country pays for that.

The “country” does not fund scholarships. They are funded by university revenues, which comes from tuition payments of non-scholarship students, football/basketball programs which actually make money, and alumni donations.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2025 17:11     Subject: D1 school
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Anonymous wrote:If American style football scholarships started to all go to foreigners, there would be an uprising on campuses and the general public. Because soccer doesn't bring in the dollars, the NCAA just lets it go.

That’s absurd. If foreigners were better players and would help their teams win, colleges would do it in a second and it would be applauded. College basketball teams have been recruiting internationally for years and it’s not an issue.


Basketball teams might have one international player on the floor. Some of these soccer teams have 8 or 9 internationals starting.

Yeah because they are better players. Why is that a problem for you?

It's a problem because other countries don't treat higher education the way we do here. In our current system athletics does allow certain people to go to college who may otherwise have been unable to.

Still not seeing what your problem is. Is it that people are getting to go to college only because they are athletes and you are against that? Do you think they are taking spots away from people who are worse players but more deserving of college? I’m honestly curious and trying to understand why international soccer players on college teams is bad.

Who do you think is funding the athletic scholarship? Most athletic departments are $$ losers for their university. Internationals can go to college in their countries their country pays for that.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2025 15:36     Subject: D1 school
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Anonymous wrote:If American style football scholarships started to all go to foreigners, there would be an uprising on campuses and the general public. Because soccer doesn't bring in the dollars, the NCAA just lets it go.

That’s absurd. If foreigners were better players and would help their teams win, colleges would do it in a second and it would be applauded. College basketball teams have been recruiting internationally for years and it’s not an issue.


Basketball teams might have one international player on the floor. Some of these soccer teams have 8 or 9 internationals starting.

Yeah because they are better players. Why is that a problem for you?

It's a problem because other countries don't treat higher education the way we do here. In our current system athletics does allow certain people to go to college who may otherwise have been unable to.

Still not seeing what your problem is. Is it that people are getting to go to college only because they are athletes and you are against that? Do you think they are taking spots away from people who are worse players but more deserving of college? I’m honestly curious and trying to understand why international soccer players on college teams is bad.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2025 12:32     Subject: D1 school
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Anonymous wrote:If American style football scholarships started to all go to foreigners, there would be an uprising on campuses and the general public. Because soccer doesn't bring in the dollars, the NCAA just lets it go.

That’s absurd. If foreigners were better players and would help their teams win, colleges would do it in a second and it would be applauded. College basketball teams have been recruiting internationally for years and it’s not an issue.


Basketball teams might have one international player on the floor. Some of these soccer teams have 8 or 9 internationals starting.

Yeah because they are better players. Why is that a problem for you?

It's a problem because other countries don't treat higher education the way we do here. In our current system athletics does allow certain people to go to college who may otherwise have been unable to.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2025 10:14     Subject: D1 school
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:If American style football scholarships started to all go to foreigners, there would be an uprising on campuses and the general public. Because soccer doesn't bring in the dollars, the NCAA just lets it go.

That’s absurd. If foreigners were better players and would help their teams win, colleges would do it in a second and it would be applauded. College basketball teams have been recruiting internationally for years and it’s not an issue.


Basketball teams might have one international player on the floor. Some of these soccer teams have 8 or 9 internationals starting.

Yeah because they are better players. Why is that a problem for you?
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2025 09:44     Subject: D1 school
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Anonymous wrote:If American style football scholarships started to all go to foreigners, there would be an uprising on campuses and the general public. Because soccer doesn't bring in the dollars, the NCAA just lets it go.

That’s absurd. If foreigners were better players and would help their teams win, colleges would do it in a second and it would be applauded. College basketball teams have been recruiting internationally for years and it’s not an issue.


Basketball teams might have one international player on the floor. Some of these soccer teams have 8 or 9 internationals starting.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2025 08:38     Subject: D1 school
Anonymous wrote:If American style football scholarships started to all go to foreigners, there would be an uprising on campuses and the general public. Because soccer doesn't bring in the dollars, the NCAA just lets it go.

That’s absurd. If foreigners were better players and would help their teams win, colleges would do it in a second and it would be applauded. College basketball teams have been recruiting internationally for years and it’s not an issue.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2025 00:00     Subject: D1 school
If American style football scholarships started to all go to foreigners, there would be an uprising on campuses and the general public. Because soccer doesn't bring in the dollars, the NCAA just lets it go.
Anonymous
Post 12/31/2024 23:54     Subject: D1 school
There should be a limit of international kids on a roster. Why do we put so much time and money into a sport for all the spots to be taken by European wannabes? College soccer is obviously not the main track to the pros, so let the Americans play the game and get the few scholarships that remain.
Anonymous
Post 12/31/2024 12:30     Subject: D1 school
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He's too old to get picked up by a ECNL team. And obviously wasn't at the caliber early enough to displace a kid now.

This is truth but foolish. At least on boys side, there isn’t much difference in terms of talent (height and bulk, yes) between RL and NL.

Yet another reason why we are failing on National Stage - (over) focus on size where it doesn’t matter as much in the sport. (On yes).

Modrich, Messi, Iniesta, Tote, Pele: some of the true greats were small in stature.

This is a cultural bias - and I think the import of small but gifted players into MLS will slowly change mindset. (Can anyone say Joao Plata? He’s 5”2’)

thats not true either.. ECNL teams do not have a bias on size.. its technical and speed of play at NL level. Most RL teams at older ages are generally loaded to fast big physical kids. But they struggle in tight space or touch is bad


Completely disagree. ECNL teams absolutely bias to size.
nope not true at all. In fact most of the kids i see dropped are the big kids who just didnt develop technically. The only two positions that may have size bias are center backs and strikers. Otherwise its all about talent.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2024 03:02     Subject: D1 school
its actually the opposite the international kids in academies which are pro track. The kids coming to US generally are not getting to the top teams to become a pro. So the opt to come to US. These kids are generally better then there US counterparts because its not pay to play there.


Brilliant response and, maybe without even realizing, you got to one of the biggest ironies that I have found about US soccer:

Soccer families in the US tend to dream on having their child be offered a soccer scholarship in college. However, if you take a close look, you will realize that most players in college that have a scholarship didn't even want to be there. Most of these kids are either European or latin Americans who trained all their lives dreaming of becoming pros and when that route didn't pan out, US college scholarships ended up being a decent backup plan.