Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 12:12     Subject: Re:Post affirmative action
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course this helps. Anyone who says it doesn’t should be ignored. As said above, mention it in essays.


I'll mention that I have a personal suspicion that DCUM skews very very white and that white people might want to believe (and might want to make you believe) that this (colleges still giving a boost) isn't the case even though it is. The # of colleges that changed their prompts to be intentionally leading in a way that would be beneficial to non-white applicants alone is proof enough. Places are just looking for something to point to if they're in a courtroom justifying your admission. Give them something to point to and you're in a good place. Mention life experiences. Mention inspiration.


Agree but on these threads it’s Asian Americans who chime in.


Yep.

Maybe one troll or two.


agree. its not many. just one crazy lonely mom who thinks her kid(s) got "screwed" in admissions years ago.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 12:11     Subject: Post affirmative action
OP is a troll... either that or their kid has been a senior for the past 3 years. They keep posting the same scenario
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 12:08     Subject: Re:Post affirmative action
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course this helps. Anyone who says it doesn’t should be ignored. As said above, mention it in essays.


I'll mention that I have a personal suspicion that DCUM skews very very white and that white people might want to believe (and might want to make you believe) that this (colleges still giving a boost) isn't the case even though it is. The # of colleges that changed their prompts to be intentionally leading in a way that would be beneficial to non-white applicants alone is proof enough. Places are just looking for something to point to if they're in a courtroom justifying your admission. Give them something to point to and you're in a good place. Mention life experiences. Mention inspiration.


Agree but on these threads it’s Asian Americans who chime in.


Yep.

Maybe one troll or two.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 12:05     Subject: Post affirmative action
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I am not a troll; my son is not a candidate for Harvard or like schools.

Some helpful advice here, but I think it underscores the validity of my question, meaning it’s really unclear right now for minority applicants.


Affirmative action still very much exists. It now falls under the guise of wholistic admissions.


+1. This. The game has just moved to the essay section. OP needs a new advisor is tge advisor doesn't understand this.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 11:48     Subject: Re:Post affirmative action
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course this helps. Anyone who says it doesn’t should be ignored. As said above, mention it in essays.


I'll mention that I have a personal suspicion that DCUM skews very very white and that white people might want to believe (and might want to make you believe) that this (colleges still giving a boost) isn't the case even though it is. The # of colleges that changed their prompts to be intentionally leading in a way that would be beneficial to non-white applicants alone is proof enough. Places are just looking for something to point to if they're in a courtroom justifying your admission. Give them something to point to and you're in a good place. Mention life experiences. Mention inspiration.


Agree but on these threads it’s Asian Americans who chime in.

100%. The second any thread is specifically about asians in college, a whole litany of people begin making racist arguments against black people.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 11:47     Subject: Post affirmative action
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:By no means am I an expert but even I know that if you are an URM you should bring it up in your application. Whether it helps or not is debatable and no one this forum knows for sure one way or another.


It absolutely helps. It helps more than it is supposed to but much less than it used to.
I don't know if we will ever get to a level playing field but i suspect that once the top schools go test required, we will see a moderate amount of affirmative action.
If the SAT score differentials remain high the lawsuits will continue.


FFS the fact that a greater number of one group scored at a certain level is not relevant when comparing individuals. A first generation ESOL student with a 1530 is being compared to a legacy Mayflower student with a 1530. Why does any care at all that a great number of immigrant ESOL students score much lower? They aren't the ones Harvard is evaluating for admission
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 11:26     Subject: Re:Post affirmative action
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course this helps. Anyone who says it doesn’t should be ignored. As said above, mention it in essays.


I'll mention that I have a personal suspicion that DCUM skews very very white and that white people might want to believe (and might want to make you believe) that this (colleges still giving a boost) isn't the case even though it is. The # of colleges that changed their prompts to be intentionally leading in a way that would be beneficial to non-white applicants alone is proof enough. Places are just looking for something to point to if they're in a courtroom justifying your admission. Give them something to point to and you're in a good place. Mention life experiences. Mention inspiration.


Agree but on these threads it’s Asian Americans who chime in.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 11:18     Subject: Post affirmative action
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Like we don't all know who OP is. Trying to stir the pot again suggesting there is some kind of a secret handshake that gets minorities in Harvard.



???
OP could be applying to any number of private and public schools.

Let me guess, you're white and hoping your kid is going to get into a top school? I don't know if you saw the acceptance rate by academic decile chart for Harvard pre-SFFA but schools like Harvard are desperate for high (really even medium-high) performing minorities. If I remember correctly the admission rate for some minority applicants at the 5th academic decile was something like 50% at Harvard?

If minorities do get in it won't be because of a secret handshake, it'll be because of concerted efforts made by Harvard AOs to recruit them. Sorry.


Presently, when minorities get in it is because they are high performing students like everyone else on campus. Is the fact these kids have the temerity to even submit an application really all that awful?


DP.
They are not like everyone else on campus.
Their academics are significantly worse.
Everyone on that campus knows it.

BS. My URM kid with a 1530 SAT and top honors/ECs/gpa disagrees with you.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 10:29     Subject: Post affirmative action
Anonymous wrote:By no means am I an expert but even I know that if you are an URM you should bring it up in your application. Whether it helps or not is debatable and no one this forum knows for sure one way or another.


It absolutely helps. It helps more than it is supposed to but much less than it used to.
I don't know if we will ever get to a level playing field but i suspect that once the top schools go test required, we will see a moderate amount of affirmative action.
If the SAT score differentials remain high the lawsuits will continue.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 10:27     Subject: Post affirmative action
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kid is multi-racial (Hispanic & AA). Earned NMSF and National Hispanic Recognition and National AA recognition. PSAT 1500, SAT 1500. GPA 4.3

Applied to a range of schools from Harvard to Alabama. Chasing merit full rides.

I was surprised by how many apps or portal supplements included questions about race or asked about being Hispanic.


Apparently, as long as you're not black, it's all good to DCUMers.


WTF are you talking about? The PP is distinguishing hispanic ethnicity from race not saying that race was not asked about.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 10:25     Subject: Post affirmative action
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The opinion was clear. Schools can’t use the checkbox anymore but can take race into account in admissions. You aren’t shooting in the dark. Write about being a URM.


This is not true.
They cannot take race into consideration. They can consider discussions about race. if the applicant writes a compelling essay about some adversity they overcame or how they were inspired by their particular racial background, etc. but they can't simply get a preference for being black.

So in a long winded manner, they can take race into account.


No. The same essay should garner the same credit if it is written by a sikh in the wake of 9/11 or an east asian during the anti-asian covid stuff. It's not the race itself that confers the benefit.

This has shifted the discussion from wealthy black kids to less affluent black kids.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2024 09:58     Subject: Post affirmative action
By no means am I an expert but even I know that if you are an URM you should bring it up in your application. Whether it helps or not is debatable and no one this forum knows for sure one way or another.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2024 19:02     Subject: Post affirmative action
Anonymous wrote:My kid is multi-racial (Hispanic & AA). Earned NMSF and National Hispanic Recognition and National AA recognition. PSAT 1500, SAT 1500. GPA 4.3

Applied to a range of schools from Harvard to Alabama. Chasing merit full rides.

I was surprised by how many apps or portal supplements included questions about race or asked about being Hispanic.


Apparently, as long as you're not black, it's all good to DCUMers.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2024 18:53     Subject: Post affirmative action
My kid is multi-racial (Hispanic & AA). Earned NMSF and National Hispanic Recognition and National AA recognition. PSAT 1500, SAT 1500. GPA 4.3

Applied to a range of schools from Harvard to Alabama. Chasing merit full rides.

I was surprised by how many apps or portal supplements included questions about race or asked about being Hispanic.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2024 18:50     Subject: Post affirmative action
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I am not a troll; my son is not a candidate for Harvard or like schools.

Some helpful advice here, but I think it underscores the validity of my question, meaning it’s really unclear right now for minority applicants.


Affirmative action still very much exists. It now falls under the guise of wholistic admissions.


It falls under the guise of ALDC.