Anonymous
Post 12/05/2024 02:31     Subject: How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Having a discussion with my mother and DH. He says 50, Mother says 65, I say about 30. What do yall think?


uhhh nah. research has been done in this area and the "official" ivy-plus schools are the ones that show a benefit at the top of certain fields only. The ivy plus schools are all ivy and Stanford MIT Duke Chicago. True elite are these 12. Correlate world rankings and usn before they went insane with factors that are more about diversity than talent, and the same 12 pop up for almost everything.
benefits in all top sectors of career and grad/professional school favoritism.
Elite but not most elite includes JHU Northwestern Caltech WashU Gtown ND Rice Vanderbilt Berkeley UCLA Williams Amherst Swarthmore. That is T25 overall including the top 4 LACs.

CMU, Emory, UVA, Umich are T25. USC and UNC were recently T25. Pomona is T4 LAC ...?

Pomona has traditionally been in the top 4 lacs. It is the most competitive LAC to get into.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2024 01:32     Subject: How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Having a discussion with my mother and DH. He says 50, Mother says 65, I say about 30. What do yall think?


uhhh nah. research has been done in this area and the "official" ivy-plus schools are the ones that show a benefit at the top of certain fields only. The ivy plus schools are all ivy and Stanford MIT Duke Chicago. True elite are these 12. Correlate world rankings and usn before they went insane with factors that are more about diversity than talent, and the same 12 pop up for almost everything.
benefits in all top sectors of career and grad/professional school favoritism.
Elite but not most elite includes JHU Northwestern Caltech WashU Gtown ND Rice Vanderbilt Berkeley UCLA Williams Amherst Swarthmore. That is T25 overall including the top 4 LACs.

CMU, Emory, UVA, Umich are T25. USC and UNC were recently T25. Pomona is T4 LAC ...?
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2024 01:29     Subject: How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:
uhhh nah. research has been done in this area and the "official" ivy-plus schools are the ones that show a benefit at the top of certain fields only. The ivy plus schools are all ivy and Stanford MIT Duke Chicago. True elite are these 12. Correlate world rankings and usn before they went insane with factors that are more about diversity than talent, and the same 12 pop up for almost everything.
benefits in all top sectors of career and grad/professional school favoritism.
Elite but not most elite includes JHU Northwestern Caltech WashU Gtown ND Rice Vanderbilt Berkeley UCLA Williams Amherst Swarthmore. That is T25 overall including the top 4 LACs.



+1
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2024 01:27     Subject: Re:How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:There are about 25

For better or worse, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and MIT will always be regarded as the top 5.

Then it's Duke, Penn, Columbia, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Cornell, Dartmouth, Rice, Brown, CalTech, Johns Hopkins, Chicago, Dartmouth, Berkeley, West Point, Annapolis, Notre Dame, and Williams.

I think that's about it for genuine "elite."

Georgetown, Michigan, UCLA, Emory, Swarthmore, WashU, Pomona, Carnegie Mellon, and Bowdoin would be the next tier.

But ultimately, the best school is the best fit for each kid.

West Point, and Annapolis are not elite. Certainly not more than Georgetown, Emory, WashU...
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2024 01:25     Subject: How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Having a discussion with my mother and DH. He says 50, Mother says 65, I say about 30. What do yall think?


uhhh nah. research has been done in this area and the "official" ivy-plus schools are the ones that show a benefit at the top of certain fields only. The ivy plus schools are all ivy and Stanford MIT Duke Chicago. True elite are these 12. Correlate world rankings and usn before they went insane with factors that are more about diversity than talent, and the same 12 pop up for almost everything.
benefits in all top sectors of career and grad/professional school favoritism.
Elite but not most elite includes JHU Northwestern Caltech WashU Gtown ND Rice Vanderbilt Berkeley UCLA Williams Amherst Swarthmore. That is T25 overall including the top 4 LACs.


I think there are no schools that should be in the t25 that are not in this post. You got them all.

Emory? CMU? Pomona? He said top 4 LACs but only 3 are there.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2024 01:23     Subject: Re:How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are about 25

For better or worse, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and MIT will always be regarded as the top 5.

Then it's Duke, Penn, Columbia, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Cornell, Dartmouth, Rice, Brown, CalTech, Johns Hopkins, Chicago, Dartmouth, Berkeley, West Point, Annapolis, Notre Dame, and Williams.

I think that's about it for genuine "elite."

Georgetown, Michigan, UCLA, Emory, Swarthmore, WashU, Pomona, Carnegie Mellon, and Bowdoin would be the next tier.

But ultimately, the best school is the best fit for each kid. [/quote

OP the answer is the gold standard of USNWR 25. That,s what the counselors and schools use


That's what the counselors and schools use for what?

Anonymous
Post 12/05/2024 00:54     Subject: Re:How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, Upenn, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Duke, JHU, Caltech, Northwestern, UCHICAGO, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Rice, Emory, Georgetown, Notre Dame, WashU, CMU, UCB, UCLA, Umich, UVA, Wellesley
The last 3 in Italics are borderline. So about 30ish. [/quo


Nope,UVA is ranked 24 by USNWR
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2024 00:51     Subject: Re:How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:There are about 25

For better or worse, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and MIT will always be regarded as the top 5.

Then it's Duke, Penn, Columbia, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Cornell, Dartmouth, Rice, Brown, CalTech, Johns Hopkins, Chicago, Dartmouth, Berkeley, West Point, Annapolis, Notre Dame, and Williams.

I think that's about it for genuine "elite."

Georgetown, Michigan, UCLA, Emory, Swarthmore, WashU, Pomona, Carnegie Mellon, and Bowdoin would be the next tier.

But ultimately, the best school is the best fit for each kid. [/quote

OP the answer is the gold standard of USNWR 25. That,s what the counselors and schools use
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2024 23:27     Subject: Re:How many elite/top schools are there?
There are about 25

For better or worse, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and MIT will always be regarded as the top 5.

Then it's Duke, Penn, Columbia, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Cornell, Dartmouth, Rice, Brown, CalTech, Johns Hopkins, Chicago, Dartmouth, Berkeley, West Point, Annapolis, Notre Dame, and Williams.

I think that's about it for genuine "elite."

Georgetown, Michigan, UCLA, Emory, Swarthmore, WashU, Pomona, Carnegie Mellon, and Bowdoin would be the next tier.

But ultimately, the best school is the best fit for each kid.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2024 22:47     Subject: Re:How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:Elite: Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Hopkins, Duke. Period hard stop.

Very, very good: Georgetown, UChicago, Slacs Williams, Pomona Swarthmore

Very Good: U Michigan, Notre Dame, UVA



One of these things is not like the others...
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2024 22:46     Subject: Re:How many elite/top schools are there?
Elite: Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Hopkins, Duke. Period hard stop.

Very, very good: Georgetown, UChicago, Slacs Williams, Pomona Swarthmore

Very Good: U Michigan, Notre Dame, UVA

Anonymous
Post 12/04/2024 22:41     Subject: Re:How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, Upenn, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Duke, JHU, Caltech, Northwestern, UCHICAGO, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Rice, Emory, Georgetown, Notre Dame, WashU, CMU, UCB, UCLA, Umich, UVA, Wellesley
The last 3 in Italics are borderline. So about 30ish.


GOOD LIST. concur!
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2024 22:39     Subject: How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Having a discussion with my mother and DH. He says 50, Mother says 65, I say about 30. What do yall think?


uhhh nah. research has been done in this area and the "official" ivy-plus schools are the ones that show a benefit at the top of certain fields only. The ivy plus schools are all ivy and Stanford MIT Duke Chicago. True elite are these 12. Correlate world rankings and usn before they went insane with factors that are more about diversity than talent, and the same 12 pop up for almost everything.
benefits in all top sectors of career and grad/professional school favoritism.
Elite but not most elite includes JHU Northwestern Caltech WashU Gtown ND Rice Vanderbilt Berkeley UCLA Williams Amherst Swarthmore. That is T25 overall including the top 4 LACs.


I think there are no schools that should be in the t25 that are not in this post. You got them all.


I don't think Cornell or Chicago belongs on the top elite list. I know many kids who go to Cornell from NYC that are fairly average and Chicago takes many average kids from private schools that apply ED1.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2024 22:24     Subject: How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Having a discussion with my mother and DH. He says 50, Mother says 65, I say about 30. What do yall think?


uhhh nah. research has been done in this area and the "official" ivy-plus schools are the ones that show a benefit at the top of certain fields only. The ivy plus schools are all ivy and Stanford MIT Duke Chicago. True elite are these 12. Correlate world rankings and usn before they went insane with factors that are more about diversity than talent, and the same 12 pop up for almost everything.
benefits in all top sectors of career and grad/professional school favoritism.
Elite but not most elite includes JHU Northwestern Caltech WashU Gtown ND Rice Vanderbilt Berkeley UCLA Williams Amherst Swarthmore. That is T25 overall including the top 4 LACs.


I think there are no schools that should be in the t25 that are not in this post. You got them all.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2024 22:12     Subject: How many elite/top schools are there?
Anonymous wrote:Having a discussion with my mother and DH. He says 50, Mother says 65, I say about 30. What do yall think?


uhhh nah. research has been done in this area and the "official" ivy-plus schools are the ones that show a benefit at the top of certain fields only. The ivy plus schools are all ivy and Stanford MIT Duke Chicago. True elite are these 12. Correlate world rankings and usn before they went insane with factors that are more about diversity than talent, and the same 12 pop up for almost everything.
benefits in all top sectors of career and grad/professional school favoritism.
Elite but not most elite includes JHU Northwestern Caltech WashU Gtown ND Rice Vanderbilt Berkeley UCLA Williams Amherst Swarthmore. That is T25 overall including the top 4 LACs.