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Anonymous wrote:Given that ED2 is by definition your second choice school, how many kids feel strongly enough about their second choice to go ED2? Seems like apply RD and give yourself the most options. Especially because the ED2 admit rate is usually a lot lower than the ED1 rate - you are giving up your power of choice for a small (if any) admission rate advantage compared to RD.

Not necessarily second choice. Some mihht decide later.

Any kid who is aware that ED is a thing and is able to commit financially to ED is going to have thought about it well before the ED1 deadline.

2 years ago deferred from Yale, from private in DC
ED 2 Chicago
SAT 1550
GPA 93
Got in

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Anonymous wrote:Given that ED2 is by definition your second choice school, how many kids feel strongly enough about their second choice to go ED2? Seems like apply RD and give yourself the most options. Especially because the ED2 admit rate is usually a lot lower than the ED1 rate - you are giving up your power of choice for a small (if any) admission rate advantage compared to RD.

Ours had two first choice schools: an Ivy and a top school with ED2. She planned all along to do ED2 at the school that offered it if she was rejected ED1 at the school that didn’t. The plan worked, and she is very happy at the ED2 school, as expected.

FWIW she went to a private high school where she got substantial financial aid, and the same holds for college. Far from ED2 schools loving private school kids because they’re all rich—essentially what many people here claim—they like *certain* private schools because the academic standards set students up for success in very demanding college environments. Both schools have need-blind admissions.

100% agree with this and was told that by several T30 AOs at a college event held at our school - they understand the grades, that a B+ in a certain class is a "great" grade and that everyone knows how to write, think and participate in class discussions.

Anonymous wrote:Given that ED2 is by definition your second choice school, how many kids feel strongly enough about their second choice to go ED2? Seems like apply RD and give yourself the most options. Especially because the ED2 admit rate is usually a lot lower than the ED1 rate - you are giving up your power of choice for a small (if any) admission rate advantage compared to RD.

Ours had two first choice schools: an Ivy and a top school with ED2. She planned all along to do ED2 at the school that offered it if she was rejected ED1 at the school that didn’t. The plan worked, and she is very happy at the ED2 school, as expected.

FWIW she went to a private high school where she got substantial financial aid, and the same holds for college. Far from ED2 schools loving private school kids because they’re all rich—essentially what many people here claim—they like *certain* private schools because the academic standards set students up for success in very demanding college environments. Both schools have need-blind admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious if any older parents here have ED2 success stories from last cycle.

If so, any stats or details that would be helpful (where ED1 was unsuccessful (where/outcome), applicant stats, type of HS, major, notable stuff)?

This month, I saw that Sara H said ED2 at Vanderbilt is notoriously selective (and likely not submit ACT scores if below 34? maybe even 35?), and curious how it plays out elsewhere.

Advice appreciated as we look ahead.

DD test optional rejected ED 2 at Vandy. ED 2 is beneficial at most but very difficult at Vandy.

public or private HS?
I ask bc our private CCO suggests Vandy ED2 (TO if lower than a 35) and has been very successful especially last year. Maybe it was "shaping the class" or a one-off thing, but jury is out for this year.

Anonymous wrote:Given that ED2 is by definition your second choice school, how many kids feel strongly enough about their second choice to go ED2? Seems like apply RD and give yourself the most options. Especially because the ED2 admit rate is usually a lot lower than the ED1 rate - you are giving up your power of choice for a small (if any) admission rate advantage compared to RD.

Not necessarily second choice. Some mihht decide later.

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious if any older parents here have ED2 success stories from last cycle.

If so, any stats or details that would be helpful (where ED1 was unsuccessful (where/outcome), applicant stats, type of HS, major, notable stuff)?

This month, I saw that Sara H said ED2 at Vanderbilt is notoriously selective (and likely not submit ACT scores if below 34? maybe even 35?), and curious how it plays out elsewhere.

Advice appreciated as we look ahead.

DD test optional rejected ED 2 at Vandy. ED 2 is beneficial at most but very difficult at Vandy.

Anonymous wrote:How does Hopkins ask students to consider ED2? By individual email?

Blast email to all regulars asking them if they want to switch to ED2 by x date.

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Anonymous wrote:Given that ED2 is by definition your second choice school, how many kids feel strongly enough about their second choice to go ED2? Seems like apply RD and give yourself the most options. Especially because the ED2 admit rate is usually a lot lower than the ED1 rate - you are giving up your power of choice for a small (if any) admission rate advantage compared to RD.

ED2 gives a good advantage at most schools.

No it doesn't. ED2 kids take most of their ED applicants in ED1, and far fewer in ED2. At Emory about 3/4 of the ED admits were accepted in ED1 and 1/4 in ED2. And the admit rate in ED2 is much lower. The Emory ED1 acceptance rate was 26% and ED2 was 12%.

The Emory AO says ED2 pool tends to be weak. Kids who overshot in ED1 and then didn’t adjust downward for ED2.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised Vanderbilt still has ed2.

Vandy loves full pay - as do places like UChicago and WashU, along with some highly selective SLACs - and ED2 is the best way to pick up high stats kids who didn't get into their Ed1.

Vandy, UChicago, and WashU are all need-blind for domestic applicants. What are we talking about here

We are talking about the fact that all those schools take tons of private school kids ED2 - plus it is very easy to tell from apps who is full pay. Just because they are not overtly viewing the financial aid forms alongside applications does not mean they are truly need blind.

100% correct

Schools take from private schools because they are known quantities. Too many colleges got burnt taking test optional kids with great grades from schools they were unfamiliar with that didn’t perform well once at college.

How does Hopkins ask students to consider ED2? By individual email?

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Anonymous wrote:Given that ED2 is by definition your second choice school, how many kids feel strongly enough about their second choice to go ED2? Seems like apply RD and give yourself the most options. Especially because the ED2 admit rate is usually a lot lower than the ED1 rate - you are giving up your power of choice for a small (if any) admission rate advantage compared to RD.

I've heard some schools ask RD/EA students to consider changing to ED2, hinting that they're likely in if they do.

I've heard Hopkins does this, anywhere else?

Chicago. Every single year.