Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WFH was a gift sent from the heavens during the pandemic. We should keep it

Otherwise, I hope the Chinese or Fauci or whoever release another super contagious virus for another pandemic. I’d love to WFH indefinitely

This is a wildly inappropriate thing to say.

DP. But it’s true. All we need is another pandemic of reason to not RTO, and WFH is here to stay.

A depression that forces companies to sell office buildings would probably do it. Or another labor shortage which might just happen.

Technology has evolved and office buildings should increasingly be a thing of the past.

You understand that many people die during pandemics, many people lose their jobs, many people need to continue to work in person, and children in particular suffer and miss out on social and educational opportunities. With a recession more people will become destitute and financially vulnerable. It’s really sick to wish either of these things so you can work from home. You badly need perspective and likely psychiatric help.

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Anonymous wrote:I've talked to a lot of working mothers who've shared that they will be really stretched if they have to RTO full time. It's not the cost of child care for most of them - it's about missing hours a day with their families, about work life balance. They want to get the work done, even after the kids are bed. They aren't the ones abusing telework and watching a toddler while claiming they're working. A 9-year-old can get herself a snack and play independently until mom is off at 5pm - but they can't be home alone. And this seems especially impactful for single parents.

Sure, there are tons of dads who do tons of childcare. And full-time RTO may suck for them, too. But it seems like the evidence is that it's the women who quit.

For employers looking to hire top talent, you're going to lose a lot of quality employees by requiring butts in seats. A lot of jobs work just fine with hybrid or even full-time telework. For employers looking to reduce their rolls, it's an interesting strategy and not one that leads to top talent staying, it seems. I'm hoping we see a lot more data about RTO mandates.

Explain the golf course near me that is packed w30-50 year old men on weekdays since covid? pre-covid was just old retired people on weekdays.

Why are you at the golf course in the middle of the work day?

I don't, but I wfh two days a week and I live right next to it. Another golf course on my 3 days at work I drive by entrance every day. In summer around 6ish I see the guys coming out from playing golf.

Pre-covd those places were dead during week and just old people. I also live near bar by golf course. It is by gas station. If I buy gas on way home from work it is packed at happy house with people 30-55. that also used to be empty during week. And forget about Starbucks. I dont go during week too crowded.


Ironically the library is empty during week. And the ladies droppig off kids in sweat pants and going to brunch during week is crazy. I also live by a day care center next to diner. The ladies drop off and go to diner.

It is my private sector friends who are free to take a class at gym or meet up for a walk at 2 pm. Feds have to be present on Teams.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've talked to a lot of working mothers who've shared that they will be really stretched if they have to RTO full time. It's not the cost of child care for most of them - it's about missing hours a day with their families, about work life balance. They want to get the work done, even after the kids are bed. They aren't the ones abusing telework and watching a toddler while claiming they're working. A 9-year-old can get herself a snack and play independently until mom is off at 5pm - but they can't be home alone. And this seems especially impactful for single parents.

Sure, there are tons of dads who do tons of childcare. And full-time RTO may suck for them, too. But it seems like the evidence is that it's the women who quit.

For employers looking to hire top talent, you're going to lose a lot of quality employees by requiring butts in seats. A lot of jobs work just fine with hybrid or even full-time telework. For employers looking to reduce their rolls, it's an interesting strategy and not one that leads to top talent staying, it seems. I'm hoping we see a lot more data about RTO mandates.

Explain the golf course near me that is packed w30-50 year old men on weekdays since covid? pre-covid was just old retired people on weekdays.

Why are you at the golf course in the middle of the work day?

I don't, but I wfh two days a week and I live right next to it. Another golf course on my 3 days at work I drive by entrance every day. In summer around 6ish I see the guys coming out from playing golf.

Pre-covd those places were dead during week and just old people. I also live near bar by golf course. It is by gas station. If I buy gas on way home from work it is packed at happy house with people 30-55. that also used to be empty during week. And forget about Starbucks. I dont go during week too crowded.


Ironically the library is empty during week. And the ladies droppig off kids in sweat pants and going to brunch during week is crazy. I also live by a day care center next to diner. The ladies drop off and go to diner.

Your bad English is showing. Go back to your troll farm.

Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of hearing the complaints of RTO. The pandemic was a special TEMPORARY event that propelled these decisions. Everyone’s life has returned to normal (school, travel, etc), but yet those working from home think RTO shouldn’t affect them. Quit, don’t quit, nobody cares.

This is true, except before 2020, I would manage my own presence and schedule - go to client site, office as needed. There are now mandates that were not in place in 2019. That is an issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of hearing the complaints of RTO. The pandemic was a special TEMPORARY event that propelled these decisions. Everyone’s life has returned to normal (school, travel, etc), but yet those working from home think RTO shouldn’t affect them. Quit, don’t quit, nobody cares.

Except we adapted and realized we dont need to be in the office 27/7 and its a waste of office space, time and emissions to rto. We've advanced and moved on.

Nope. Keep dreaming.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of hearing the complaints of RTO. The pandemic was a special TEMPORARY event that propelled these decisions. Everyone’s life has returned to normal (school, travel, etc), but yet those working from home think RTO shouldn’t affect them. Quit, don’t quit, nobody cares.

I only worked in the office 1dayv a week for years before Covid. There was nothing special or temporary about the option. It was based on sound business decisions. Stick to topics you know something about.

You’re sooooo defensive. It’s fun to watch.

Anonymous wrote:I've talked to a lot of working mothers who've shared that they will be really stretched if they have to RTO full time. It's not the cost of child care for most of them - it's about missing hours a day with their families, about work life balance. They want to get the work done, even after the kids are bed. They aren't the ones abusing telework and watching a toddler while claiming they're working. A 9-year-old can get herself a snack and play independently until mom is off at 5pm - but they can't be home alone. And this seems especially impactful for single parents.

Sure, there are tons of dads who do tons of childcare. And full-time RTO may suck for them, too. But it seems like the evidence is that it's the women who quit.

For employers looking to hire top talent, you're going to lose a lot of quality employees by requiring butts in seats. A lot of jobs work just fine with hybrid or even full-time telework. For employers looking to reduce their rolls, it's an interesting strategy and not one that leads to top talent staying, it seems. I'm hoping we see a lot more data about RTO mandates.

So?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've talked to a lot of working mothers who've shared that they will be really stretched if they have to RTO full time. It's not the cost of child care for most of them - it's about missing hours a day with their families, about work life balance. They want to get the work done, even after the kids are bed. They aren't the ones abusing telework and watching a toddler while claiming they're working. A 9-year-old can get herself a snack and play independently until mom is off at 5pm - but they can't be home alone. And this seems especially impactful for single parents.

Sure, there are tons of dads who do tons of childcare. And full-time RTO may suck for them, too. But it seems like the evidence is that it's the women who quit.

For employers looking to hire top talent, you're going to lose a lot of quality employees by requiring butts in seats. A lot of jobs work just fine with hybrid or even full-time telework. For employers looking to reduce their rolls, it's an interesting strategy and not one that leads to top talent staying, it seems. I'm hoping we see a lot more data about RTO mandates.

Explain the golf course near me that is packed w30-50 year old men on weekdays since covid? pre-covid was just old retired people on weekdays.

Why are you at the golf course in the middle of the work day?

I don't, but I wfh two days a week and I live right next to it. Another golf course on my 3 days at work I drive by entrance every day. In summer around 6ish I see the guys coming out from playing golf.

Pre-covd those places were dead during week and just old people. I also live near bar by golf course. It is by gas station. If I buy gas on way home from work it is packed at happy house with people 30-55. that also used to be empty during week. And forget about Starbucks. I dont go during week too crowded.


Ironically the library is empty during week. And the ladies droppig off kids in sweat pants and going to brunch during week is crazy. I also live by a day care center next to diner. The ladies drop off and go to diner.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of hearing the complaints of RTO. The pandemic was a special TEMPORARY event that propelled these decisions. Everyone’s life has returned to normal (school, travel, etc), but yet those working from home think RTO shouldn’t affect them. Quit, don’t quit, nobody cares.

A lot of people do care even if you don’t. It’s majorly disruptive and causes good people to leave. It takes precious family time away from parents so they can sit in traffic to move their laptop from one building to another to use Microsoft Teams. It’s bad for the environment…I could go on.

Blah blah, blah. They’re going back into the office, and no amount of wheedling tantrums will stop it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of hearing the complaints of RTO. The pandemic was a special TEMPORARY event that propelled these decisions. Everyone’s life has returned to normal (school, travel, etc), but yet those working from home think RTO shouldn’t affect them. Quit, don’t quit, nobody cares.

+1

+1,000

Anonymous wrote:This is obvious. None of it makes sense and it will eventually course correct.

The problem is that many companies have expensive real estate they don’t need. That’s why we are all commuting to spend our day on Teams.

Hi, tiresome, repetitive “Teams” whiner. Didn’t take you long to find this thread!

I negotiated more TW in exchange for me not leaving for a better job this year. I love what I do, but my building is in a crappy part of town and does not even have enough parking to accommodate all their employees. WFH saves me three days of dealing with the Anacostia metro station where I've been broken into, assaulted, passed by homicide crime scenes and witnessed coworkers being harrassed over the past decade. Telework was a great solution for that, especially since all my work is done on the computer (media) and non-sensitive. I am productive both at home and the office and my work makes my department look good to the higher ups. I would love to stay until I retire, but if I have to go back to dealing with commute hassles, then I know I can find a better deal elsewhere. It would be a shame though, bc I love my clients, my agency's mission and the type of projects I work on. And I actually like being in the office, its just getting there 5 days a week that is a total drag.

All my Trump-supporting conservative bosses have more telework than I do and live further than I do, so I'm curious how they feel about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I've talked to a lot of working mothers who've shared that they will be really stretched if they have to RTO full time. It's not the cost of child care for most of them - it's about missing hours a day with their families, about work life balance. They want to get the work done, even after the kids are bed. They aren't the ones abusing telework and watching a toddler while claiming they're working. A 9-year-old can get herself a snack and play independently until mom is off at 5pm - but they can't be home alone. And this seems especially impactful for single parents.

Sure, there are tons of dads who do tons of childcare. And full-time RTO may suck for them, too. But it seems like the evidence is that it's the women who quit.

For employers looking to hire top talent, you're going to lose a lot of quality employees by requiring butts in seats. A lot of jobs work just fine with hybrid or even full-time telework. For employers looking to reduce their rolls, it's an interesting strategy and not one that leads to top talent staying, it seems. I'm hoping we see a lot more data about RTO mandates.

Explain the golf course near me that is packed w30-50 year old men on weekdays since covid? pre-covid was just old retired people on weekdays.

“Executive Time”

Im not kidding. It’s dudes in sales taking out their clients.

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Anonymous wrote:I've talked to a lot of working mothers who've shared that they will be really stretched if they have to RTO full time. It's not the cost of child care for most of them - it's about missing hours a day with their families, about work life balance. They want to get the work done, even after the kids are bed. They aren't the ones abusing telework and watching a toddler while claiming they're working. A 9-year-old can get herself a snack and play independently until mom is off at 5pm - but they can't be home alone. And this seems especially impactful for single parents.

Sure, there are tons of dads who do tons of childcare. And full-time RTO may suck for them, too. But it seems like the evidence is that it's the women who quit.

For employers looking to hire top talent, you're going to lose a lot of quality employees by requiring butts in seats. A lot of jobs work just fine with hybrid or even full-time telework. For employers looking to reduce their rolls, it's an interesting strategy and not one that leads to top talent staying, it seems. I'm hoping we see a lot more data about RTO mandates.

Explain the golf course near me that is packed w30-50 year old men on weekdays since covid? pre-covid was just old retired people on weekdays.

Early retirement

Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of hearing the complaints of RTO. The pandemic was a special TEMPORARY event that propelled these decisions. Everyone’s life has returned to normal (school, travel, etc), but yet those working from home think RTO shouldn’t affect them. Quit, don’t quit, nobody cares.

Except we adapted and realized we dont need to be in the office 27/7 and its a waste of office space, time and emissions to rto. We've advanced and moved on.