Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 15:42     Subject: Re:Help! Estrangement

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My H and I are amicably divorced.

They have asked that we don’t invite them to things with our significant others.

They want a relationship with us not our SO.
They are not saying they never want to see our SO. For example my H’s SO. Came to Thanksgiving dinner at my house

But for every interaction with the SO present they would like a few without

We don’t vacation with the SO, we don’t visit them with the SO.

For me it was easy my SO (quite frankly) doesn’t care one way or another. Hrs not like we need to be one big happy family. He’s like go be with your adult kids and grandchildren I’ll be here when you come back,

Women OTOH take these things personally. Women tend to want to be “part of the family”. Perhaps the GF gave off the I’ll be a bonus mom vibe

But I would not just drop it at 1 letter I’d go visit your daughter alone and ask her what a relationship she wants with you looks like.


Let me ask you this: Would you EVER say something similar to your adult child? Tell them that you want to see them but only on the condition they leave their spouse/partner at home? I doubt you would.

Why is it completely up to an ADULT child to dictate terms of the relationship? I always thought relationships were two-way streets.

It's also easy for you to say you don't mind because you are not being asked/told to stay away. Your SO is the one staying at home while you visit your kids/grandkids. You may think he doesn't mind being excluded but he may have a different take.



Yes. I took my kids to Italy last year and I did not invite their SO's. That would be insane. It's not their wives.

Often I go out with my best friend without my H (at the time) or my SO.

I go golfing with girlfriends I would never bring my SO.

When I go to the beach in June I go with friends, my SO is not invited.

I think what is wildly odd is SO's/H's that think they need to be part of every.single.interaction.

My SO goes to his daughters for birthdays, holidays, etc and No I don't go. He meets her for lunch often, I don't go.

I even would have time alone with my kids when they were growing up without my spouse.

It is a two way street, they give me feedback and we so what is best for our relationship. You think me having my H's new girlfriend to Thanksgiving at my house wasn't a compromise by everybody.

Grow up.


You make it sound so egalitarian, but most parents welcome their kids’ SO’s into everything with open arms, but these ACODs can’t bring themselves to be nearly as hospitable.


No not everything, somethings. That's the point. See your daughter without your current girlfriend sometimes.

Also, you used egalitarian wrong.

Equitable, egalitarian, you say tomato…

Fact: A lot ACODs are not willing to treat a parent’s new partner the way they would like that parent to treat their own partner. Hypocrisy.




The new partner is not equal to a family member. They are literally not family.


Neither is the ACOD’s bf. But treatment — very different.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 15:41     Subject: Re:Help! Estrangement

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My H and I are amicably divorced.

They have asked that we don’t invite them to things with our significant others.

They want a relationship with us not our SO.
They are not saying they never want to see our SO. For example my H’s SO. Came to Thanksgiving dinner at my house

But for every interaction with the SO present they would like a few without

We don’t vacation with the SO, we don’t visit them with the SO.

For me it was easy my SO (quite frankly) doesn’t care one way or another. Hrs not like we need to be one big happy family. He’s like go be with your adult kids and grandchildren I’ll be here when you come back,

Women OTOH take these things personally. Women tend to want to be “part of the family”. Perhaps the GF gave off the I’ll be a bonus mom vibe

But I would not just drop it at 1 letter I’d go visit your daughter alone and ask her what a relationship she wants with you looks like.


Let me ask you this: Would you EVER say something similar to your adult child? Tell them that you want to see them but only on the condition they leave their spouse/partner at home? I doubt you would.

Why is it completely up to an ADULT child to dictate terms of the relationship? I always thought relationships were two-way streets.

It's also easy for you to say you don't mind because you are not being asked/told to stay away. Your SO is the one staying at home while you visit your kids/grandkids. You may think he doesn't mind being excluded but he may have a different take.



Yes. I took my kids to Italy last year and I did not invite their SO's. That would be insane. It's not their wives.

Often I go out with my best friend without my H (at the time) or my SO.

I go golfing with girlfriends I would never bring my SO.

When I go to the beach in June I go with friends, my SO is not invited.

I think what is wildly odd is SO's/H's that think they need to be part of every.single.interaction.

My SO goes to his daughters for birthdays, holidays, etc and No I don't go. He meets her for lunch often, I don't go.

I even would have time alone with my kids when they were growing up without my spouse.

It is a two way street, they give me feedback and we so what is best for our relationship. You think me having my H's new girlfriend to Thanksgiving at my house wasn't a compromise by everybody.

Grow up.


You make it sound so egalitarian, but most parents welcome their kids’ SO’s into everything with open arms, but these ACODs can’t bring themselves to be nearly as hospitable.


No not everything, somethings. That's the point. See your daughter without your current girlfriend sometimes.

Also, you used egalitarian wrong.

Equitable, egalitarian, you say tomato…

Fact: A lot ACODs are not willing to treat a parent’s new partner the way they would like that parent to treat their own partner. Hypocrisy.




The new partner is not equal to a family member. They are literally not family.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 15:26     Subject: Re:Help! Estrangement

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My H and I are amicably divorced.

They have asked that we don’t invite them to things with our significant others.

They want a relationship with us not our SO.
They are not saying they never want to see our SO. For example my H’s SO. Came to Thanksgiving dinner at my house

But for every interaction with the SO present they would like a few without

We don’t vacation with the SO, we don’t visit them with the SO.

For me it was easy my SO (quite frankly) doesn’t care one way or another. Hrs not like we need to be one big happy family. He’s like go be with your adult kids and grandchildren I’ll be here when you come back,

Women OTOH take these things personally. Women tend to want to be “part of the family”. Perhaps the GF gave off the I’ll be a bonus mom vibe

But I would not just drop it at 1 letter I’d go visit your daughter alone and ask her what a relationship she wants with you looks like.


Let me ask you this: Would you EVER say something similar to your adult child? Tell them that you want to see them but only on the condition they leave their spouse/partner at home? I doubt you would.

Why is it completely up to an ADULT child to dictate terms of the relationship? I always thought relationships were two-way streets.

It's also easy for you to say you don't mind because you are not being asked/told to stay away. Your SO is the one staying at home while you visit your kids/grandkids. You may think he doesn't mind being excluded but he may have a different take.



Yes. I took my kids to Italy last year and I did not invite their SO's. That would be insane. It's not their wives.

Often I go out with my best friend without my H (at the time) or my SO.

I go golfing with girlfriends I would never bring my SO.

When I go to the beach in June I go with friends, my SO is not invited.

I think what is wildly odd is SO's/H's that think they need to be part of every.single.interaction.

My SO goes to his daughters for birthdays, holidays, etc and No I don't go. He meets her for lunch often, I don't go.

I even would have time alone with my kids when they were growing up without my spouse.

It is a two way street, they give me feedback and we so what is best for our relationship. You think me having my H's new girlfriend to Thanksgiving at my house wasn't a compromise by everybody.

Grow up.


You make it sound so egalitarian, but most parents welcome their kids’ SO’s into everything with open arms, but these ACODs can’t bring themselves to be nearly as hospitable.


No not everything, somethings. That's the point. See your daughter without your current girlfriend sometimes.

Also, you used egalitarian wrong.

Equitable, egalitarian, you say tomato…

Fact: A lot ACODs are not willing to treat a parent’s new partner the way they would like that parent to treat their own partner. Hypocrisy.


Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 15:22     Subject: Help! Estrangement

Assum dd thought you and mom would get back together at some point. After seeing you with GF, she realizes that's not going to happen.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 15:20     Subject: Re:Help! Estrangement

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My H and I are amicably divorced.

They have asked that we don’t invite them to things with our significant others.

They want a relationship with us not our SO.
They are not saying they never want to see our SO. For example my H’s SO. Came to Thanksgiving dinner at my house

But for every interaction with the SO present they would like a few without

We don’t vacation with the SO, we don’t visit them with the SO.

For me it was easy my SO (quite frankly) doesn’t care one way or another. Hrs not like we need to be one big happy family. He’s like go be with your adult kids and grandchildren I’ll be here when you come back,

Women OTOH take these things personally. Women tend to want to be “part of the family”. Perhaps the GF gave off the I’ll be a bonus mom vibe

But I would not just drop it at 1 letter I’d go visit your daughter alone and ask her what a relationship she wants with you looks like.


Let me ask you this: Would you EVER say something similar to your adult child? Tell them that you want to see them but only on the condition they leave their spouse/partner at home? I doubt you would.

Why is it completely up to an ADULT child to dictate terms of the relationship? I always thought relationships were two-way streets.

It's also easy for you to say you don't mind because you are not being asked/told to stay away. Your SO is the one staying at home while you visit your kids/grandkids. You may think he doesn't mind being excluded but he may have a different take.



Yes. I took my kids to Italy last year and I did not invite their SO's. That would be insane. It's not their wives.

Often I go out with my best friend without my H (at the time) or my SO.

I go golfing with girlfriends I would never bring my SO.

When I go to the beach in June I go with friends, my SO is not invited.

I think what is wildly odd is SO's/H's that think they need to be part of every.single.interaction.

My SO goes to his daughters for birthdays, holidays, etc and No I don't go. He meets her for lunch often, I don't go.

I even would have time alone with my kids when they were growing up without my spouse.

It is a two way street, they give me feedback and we so what is best for our relationship. You think me having my H's new girlfriend to Thanksgiving at my house wasn't a compromise by everybody.

Grow up.


You make it sound so egalitarian, but most parents welcome their kids’ SO’s into everything with open arms, but these ACODs can’t bring themselves to be nearly as hospitable.


No not everything, somethings. That's the point. See your daughter without your current girlfriend sometimes.

Also, you used egalitarian wrong.



Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 14:58     Subject: Re:Help! Estrangement

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My H and I are amicably divorced.

They have asked that we don’t invite them to things with our significant others.

They want a relationship with us not our SO.
They are not saying they never want to see our SO. For example my H’s SO. Came to Thanksgiving dinner at my house

But for every interaction with the SO present they would like a few without

We don’t vacation with the SO, we don’t visit them with the SO.

For me it was easy my SO (quite frankly) doesn’t care one way or another. Hrs not like we need to be one big happy family. He’s like go be with your adult kids and grandchildren I’ll be here when you come back,

Women OTOH take these things personally. Women tend to want to be “part of the family”. Perhaps the GF gave off the I’ll be a bonus mom vibe

But I would not just drop it at 1 letter I’d go visit your daughter alone and ask her what a relationship she wants with you looks like.


Let me ask you this: Would you EVER say something similar to your adult child? Tell them that you want to see them but only on the condition they leave their spouse/partner at home? I doubt you would.

Why is it completely up to an ADULT child to dictate terms of the relationship? I always thought relationships were two-way streets.

It's also easy for you to say you don't mind because you are not being asked/told to stay away. Your SO is the one staying at home while you visit your kids/grandkids. You may think he doesn't mind being excluded but he may have a different take.



Yes. I took my kids to Italy last year and I did not invite their SO's. That would be insane. It's not their wives.

Often I go out with my best friend without my H (at the time) or my SO.

I go golfing with girlfriends I would never bring my SO.

When I go to the beach in June I go with friends, my SO is not invited.

I think what is wildly odd is SO's/H's that think they need to be part of every.single.interaction.

My SO goes to his daughters for birthdays, holidays, etc and No I don't go. He meets her for lunch often, I don't go.

I even would have time alone with my kids when they were growing up without my spouse.

It is a two way street, they give me feedback and we so what is best for our relationship. You think me having my H's new girlfriend to Thanksgiving at my house wasn't a compromise by everybody.

Grow up.


You make it sound so egalitarian, but most parents welcome their kids’ SO’s into everything with open arms, but these ACODs can’t bring themselves to be nearly as hospitable.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 13:38     Subject: Re:Help! Estrangement

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My H and I are amicably divorced.

They have asked that we don’t invite them to things with our significant others.

They want a relationship with us not our SO.
They are not saying they never want to see our SO. For example my H’s SO. Came to Thanksgiving dinner at my house

But for every interaction with the SO present they would like a few without

We don’t vacation with the SO, we don’t visit them with the SO.

For me it was easy my SO (quite frankly) doesn’t care one way or another. Hrs not like we need to be one big happy family. He’s like go be with your adult kids and grandchildren I’ll be here when you come back,

Women OTOH take these things personally. Women tend to want to be “part of the family”. Perhaps the GF gave off the I’ll be a bonus mom vibe

But I would not just drop it at 1 letter I’d go visit your daughter alone and ask her what a relationship she wants with you looks like.


Let me ask you this: Would you EVER say something similar to your adult child? Tell them that you want to see them but only on the condition they leave their spouse/partner at home? I doubt you would.

Why is it completely up to an ADULT child to dictate terms of the relationship? I always thought relationships were two-way streets.

It's also easy for you to say you don't mind because you are not being asked/told to stay away. Your SO is the one staying at home while you visit your kids/grandkids. You may think he doesn't mind being excluded but he may have a different take.



Yes. I took my kids to Italy last year and I did not invite their SO's. That would be insane. It's not their wives.

Often I go out with my best friend without my H (at the time) or my SO.

I go golfing with girlfriends I would never bring my SO.

When I go to the beach in June I go with friends, my SO is not invited.

I think what is wildly odd is SO's/H's that think they need to be part of every.single.interaction.

My SO goes to his daughters for birthdays, holidays, etc and No I don't go. He meets her for lunch often, I don't go.

I even would have time alone with my kids when they were growing up without my spouse.

It is a two way street, they give me feedback and we so what is best for our relationship. You think me having my H's new girlfriend to Thanksgiving at my house wasn't a compromise by everybody.

Grow up.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 13:26     Subject: Help! Estrangement

Was the Feb trip going to include the gf? If so, I'd guess that's the problem
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 13:25     Subject: Re:Help! Estrangement

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My H and I are amicably divorced.

They have asked that we don’t invite them to things with our significant others.

They want a relationship with us not our SO.
They are not saying they never want to see our SO. For example my H’s SO. Came to Thanksgiving dinner at my house

But for every interaction with the SO present they would like a few without

We don’t vacation with the SO, we don’t visit them with the SO.

For me it was easy my SO (quite frankly) doesn’t care one way or another. Hrs not like we need to be one big happy family. He’s like go be with your adult kids and grandchildren I’ll be here when you come back,

Women OTOH take these things personally. Women tend to want to be “part of the family”. Perhaps the GF gave off the I’ll be a bonus mom vibe

But I would not just drop it at 1 letter I’d go visit your daughter alone and ask her what a relationship she wants with you looks like.


Let me ask you this: Would you EVER say something similar to your adult child? Tell them that you want to see them but only on the condition they leave their spouse/partner at home? I doubt you would.

Why is it completely up to an ADULT child to dictate terms of the relationship? I always thought relationships were two-way streets.

It's also easy for you to say you don't mind because you are not being asked/told to stay away. Your SO is the one staying at home while you visit your kids/grandkids. You may think he doesn't mind being excluded but he may have a different take.



And that’s why your kids don’t speak to you. You are the parent, and you owe it to your kids to put them first.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 13:23     Subject: Help! Estrangement

I think you are a fool if you let your daughter go simply bc of your gf. You and your daughter need to have time alone together, and gf shouldn’t be part of that. If gf can’t handle it, end that relationship. Your daughter comes first.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 13:19     Subject: Re:Help! Estrangement

Anonymous wrote:My H and I are amicably divorced.

They have asked that we don’t invite them to things with our significant others.

They want a relationship with us not our SO.
They are not saying they never want to see our SO. For example my H’s SO. Came to Thanksgiving dinner at my house

But for every interaction with the SO present they would like a few without

We don’t vacation with the SO, we don’t visit them with the SO.

For me it was easy my SO (quite frankly) doesn’t care one way or another. Hrs not like we need to be one big happy family. He’s like go be with your adult kids and grandchildren I’ll be here when you come back,

Women OTOH take these things personally. Women tend to want to be “part of the family”. Perhaps the GF gave off the I’ll be a bonus mom vibe

But I would not just drop it at 1 letter I’d go visit your daughter alone and ask her what a relationship she wants with you looks like.


Let me ask you this: Would you EVER say something similar to your adult child? Tell them that you want to see them but only on the condition they leave their spouse/partner at home? I doubt you would.

Why is it completely up to an ADULT child to dictate terms of the relationship? I always thought relationships were two-way streets.

It's also easy for you to say you don't mind because you are not being asked/told to stay away. Your SO is the one staying at home while you visit your kids/grandkids. You may think he doesn't mind being excluded but he may have a different take.

Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 08:20     Subject: Re:Help! Estrangement

My H and I are amicably divorced.

They have asked that we don’t invite them to things with our significant others.

They want a relationship with us not our SO. They are not saying they never want to see our SO. For example my H’s SO. Came to Thanksgiving dinner at my house

But for every interaction with the SO present they would like a few without

We don’t vacation with the SO, we don’t visit them with the SO.

For me it was easy my SO (quite frankly) doesn’t care one way or another. Hrs not like we need to be one big happy family. He’s like go be with your adult kids and grandchildren I’ll be here when you come back,

Women OTOH take these things personally. Women tend to want to be “part of the family”. Perhaps the GF gave off the I’ll be a bonus mom vibe

But I would not just drop it at 1 letter I’d go visit your daughter alone and ask her what a relationship she wants with you looks like.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 08:09     Subject: Help! Estrangement

She's jealous of GF and she thinks she's defending the mother's honor. Nothing you can do. Younex might be able to help if she wants. Is ex married?

Since you are amicable with ex, let it go.

Get life updates from ex.

Send holiday cards.
No dramatic personal letters, just "happy birthday", "merry Christmas" and $20-$50 cash as a gift that doesn't feel like life controlling money.

Wait it out. She'll grow some perspective in a few years or maybe less. DD might be trying to goad you into a fight to make it your fault. Don't bite.

Maybe ex will talk her around to reconciliation, maybe not.

Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 06:39     Subject: Re:Help! Estrangement

There’s a 99% chance that this wouldn’t be happening if you didn’t have a gf, amirit? She wants a relationship with you that excludes the gf. Not sure how healthy that is for your relationship.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2025 01:26     Subject: Help! Estrangement

Cut her off completely. Write her out of your will. She sounds like a spoiled brat. Move on with your life.