Anonymous
11/23/2024 19:16
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:York at Yorktown HS: MWF 4:30-6:00, Saturday option 6:00-8:00am
York also has Renaissance practice at the same time.
if you can avoid swimming at renaissance, then avoid it.
Anonymous
11/23/2024 17:07
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Anonymous wrote:York at Yorktown HS: MWF 4:30-6:00, Saturday option 6:00-8:00am
York also has Renaissance practice at the same time.
Anonymous
11/23/2024 10:21
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
AAC has evening age group performance (5 days/week) and that moves to evening 13+ practices.
Machine, as people mentioned
Fish
York
NCAP - Marymount has one but I think that does progress to the mornings after a certain age.
Good luck - don’t get wrapped up either in your 11 year old’s success or other people telling you that 11 year really isn’t great. There are plenty of places for everyone.
Machine, as people mentioned
Fish
York
NCAP - Marymount has one but I think that does progress to the mornings after a certain age.
Good luck - don’t get wrapped up either in your 11 year old’s success or other people telling you that 11 year really isn’t great. There are plenty of places for everyone.
Anonymous
11/22/2024 12:20
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Back to the question…
Makos has the group you are looking for. I’d reach out. I think it’s full but maybe they’d make room. We really like the group. There is a 4 day option but I don’t think there is a 5 day one at that age.
Makos has the group you are looking for. I’d reach out. I think it’s full but maybe they’d make room. We really like the group. There is a 4 day option but I don’t think there is a 5 day one at that age.
Anonymous
11/22/2024 11:29
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Machine's Madeira site has evening practices
Whats the coaching like there? Do they have a good group of fast swimmer in this age group?
How fast is fast? What time standards is your kid swimming and how close are they to 13?
At least A times in every event.
Honestly you might find that some tops clubs in Nova wouldn’t consider your swimmer for their most elite practice groups without multiple AA and some AAA times.
Definitely reach out to coaches and discuss your swimmer’s times and set up some visits with different clubs so you can try them out and see how your swimmer connects with certain coaches and feels about the workouts.
+1 I would say if your swimmer has mostly A times they probably will not be considered for a high performance/elite group unless perhaps they JUST turned 11 and have AA+ in best events. If they are already 12 most elite groups are going to be full of kids at the AA-AAAA level in all events.
Such a typical DCUM response."Unless your kid is at the very top they just don't matter"
No, not all kids in "high performance" groups have AA-AAAA times. We swim for machine and HP for kids who are 11-12 does not mean kids have to have AA-AAAA times. Maybe name designation varies varies by club but I can't imagine most clubs have such a large number of kids with top times.
Seriously??? Why are you putting words into folks mouths. No one said her kid didn’t matter just setting realistic expectations for practice group placement based upon times. Not sure where OP is moving from and the requirements to be in the most competitive practice groups at her current location but wanted her to be aware of what might constitute most competitive/elite practices groups at each age for many teams in this area. Each team is obviously different so the most competitive group at one club might have higher or lower caliber swimmers than the most competitive group at another club. Thus the recommendation to reach out and talk with coaches. They will know best where her swimmer fits.
Our club’s 11-12 “most competitive” practice group certainly has lots of kids with multiple AA, AAA times.
"Lots of kids" is not the same as telling someone "if your swimmer has mostly A times they probably will not be considered for a high performance/elite group unless perhaps they JUST turned 11". That is just laughable. To implies that all kids must have these times to even be considered for a HP group and that is simply not true. But in DCUM fashion you just love to make it sound like everything is so complex and only "top" performers can get into HP group. Seriously tell me which club has a HP group where all kids have AA times. Why is everyone so oddly competitive here?
I don’t think it has anything to do with folks implying that some kids are better than others or that parents are being competitive here. Just simply trying to help OP find a practice group that is a good fit for her swimmer’s current level. It’s important for her kiddo to train with those who are maintaining similar paces and yardages. The definition of “elite” or “most competitive” is different from team to team and area to area so it’s important to figure out what is the right fit for her kid. Practice schedule seems very important to OP and wouldn’t want them to look at practice schedules online and wrongly assume about placement until they talk to the coaches of those teams to see in fact what their requirements are for each group.
We’ve moved several times with swimmers and the environments are VERY different.
Oh it is absolutely being competitive and making it sound like OPs kid won't make the cut. OP stated their child swims 4-5 days a week and has A cuts in most events. I can't imagine any HP group in this area that would say they aren't qualified. Yes, you still need to try out clubs because some HP groups may actually be a much lower level but even the top ones will not have all kids who all have AA and above times. I can also bet that if OP said their kid had AA times in most events that poster would have said "sorry you need at least AAA" because that is the weird sh*t people eon here love to say.
🤦🏼♀️🙄 You are making way too much of folks comments and reading way too far into them and putting words into folks mouths.
OP- reach out to several teams and talk with their coaches to see where they’d likely place your kiddo based upon times and current training to get the best idea of options.
Anonymous
11/22/2024 11:05
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Machine's Madeira site has evening practices
Whats the coaching like there? Do they have a good group of fast swimmer in this age group?
How fast is fast? What time standards is your kid swimming and how close are they to 13?
At least A times in every event.
Honestly you might find that some tops clubs in Nova wouldn’t consider your swimmer for their most elite practice groups without multiple AA and some AAA times.
Definitely reach out to coaches and discuss your swimmer’s times and set up some visits with different clubs so you can try them out and see how your swimmer connects with certain coaches and feels about the workouts.
+1 I would say if your swimmer has mostly A times they probably will not be considered for a high performance/elite group unless perhaps they JUST turned 11 and have AA+ in best events. If they are already 12 most elite groups are going to be full of kids at the AA-AAAA level in all events.
Such a typical DCUM response.
No, not all kids in "high performance" groups have AA-AAAA times. We swim for machine and HP for kids who are 11-12 does not mean kids have to have AA-AAAA times. Maybe name designation varies varies by club but I can't imagine most clubs have such a large number of kids with top times.
Seriously??? Why are you putting words into folks mouths. No one said her kid didn’t matter just setting realistic expectations for practice group placement based upon times. Not sure where OP is moving from and the requirements to be in the most competitive practice groups at her current location but wanted her to be aware of what might constitute most competitive/elite practices groups at each age for many teams in this area. Each team is obviously different so the most competitive group at one club might have higher or lower caliber swimmers than the most competitive group at another club. Thus the recommendation to reach out and talk with coaches. They will know best where her swimmer fits.
Our club’s 11-12 “most competitive” practice group certainly has lots of kids with multiple AA, AAA times.
"Lots of kids" is not the same as telling someone "if your swimmer has mostly A times they probably will not be considered for a high performance/elite group unless perhaps they JUST turned 11". That is just laughable. To implies that all kids must have these times to even be considered for a HP group and that is simply not true. But in DCUM fashion you just love to make it sound like everything is so complex and only "top" performers can get into HP group. Seriously tell me which club has a HP group where all kids have AA times. Why is everyone so oddly competitive here?
I don’t think it has anything to do with folks implying that some kids are better than others or that parents are being competitive here. Just simply trying to help OP find a practice group that is a good fit for her swimmer’s current level. It’s important for her kiddo to train with those who are maintaining similar paces and yardages. The definition of “elite” or “most competitive” is different from team to team and area to area so it’s important to figure out what is the right fit for her kid. Practice schedule seems very important to OP and wouldn’t want them to look at practice schedules online and wrongly assume about placement until they talk to the coaches of those teams to see in fact what their requirements are for each group.
We’ve moved several times with swimmers and the environments are VERY different.
Oh it is absolutely being competitive and making it sound like OPs kid won't make the cut. OP stated their child swims 4-5 days a week and has A cuts in most events. I can't imagine any HP group in this area that would say they aren't qualified. Yes, you still need to try out clubs because some HP groups may actually be a much lower level but even the top ones will not have all kids who all have AA and above times. I can also bet that if OP said their kid had AA times in most events that poster would have said "sorry you need at least AAA" because that is the weird sh*t people eon here love to say.
Anonymous
11/22/2024 10:52
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Machine's Madeira site has evening practices
Whats the coaching like there? Do they have a good group of fast swimmer in this age group?
How fast is fast? What time standards is your kid swimming and how close are they to 13?
At least A times in every event.
Honestly you might find that some tops clubs in Nova wouldn’t consider your swimmer for their most elite practice groups without multiple AA and some AAA times.
Definitely reach out to coaches and discuss your swimmer’s times and set up some visits with different clubs so you can try them out and see how your swimmer connects with certain coaches and feels about the workouts.
+1 I would say if your swimmer has mostly A times they probably will not be considered for a high performance/elite group unless perhaps they JUST turned 11 and have AA+ in best events. If they are already 12 most elite groups are going to be full of kids at the AA-AAAA level in all events.
Such a typical DCUM response.
No, not all kids in "high performance" groups have AA-AAAA times. We swim for machine and HP for kids who are 11-12 does not mean kids have to have AA-AAAA times. Maybe name designation varies varies by club but I can't imagine most clubs have such a large number of kids with top times.
Seriously??? Why are you putting words into folks mouths. No one said her kid didn’t matter just setting realistic expectations for practice group placement based upon times. Not sure where OP is moving from and the requirements to be in the most competitive practice groups at her current location but wanted her to be aware of what might constitute most competitive/elite practices groups at each age for many teams in this area. Each team is obviously different so the most competitive group at one club might have higher or lower caliber swimmers than the most competitive group at another club. Thus the recommendation to reach out and talk with coaches. They will know best where her swimmer fits.
Our club’s 11-12 “most competitive” practice group certainly has lots of kids with multiple AA, AAA times.
"Lots of kids" is not the same as telling someone "if your swimmer has mostly A times they probably will not be considered for a high performance/elite group unless perhaps they JUST turned 11". That is just laughable. To implies that all kids must have these times to even be considered for a HP group and that is simply not true. But in DCUM fashion you just love to make it sound like everything is so complex and only "top" performers can get into HP group. Seriously tell me which club has a HP group where all kids have AA times. Why is everyone so oddly competitive here?
I don’t think it has anything to do with folks implying that some kids are better than others or that parents are being competitive here. Just simply trying to help OP find a practice group that is a good fit for her swimmer’s current level. It’s important for her kiddo to train with those who are maintaining similar paces and yardages. The definition of “elite” or “most competitive” is different from team to team and area to area so it’s important to figure out what is the right fit for her kid. Practice schedule seems very important to OP and wouldn’t want them to look at practice schedules online and wrongly assume about placement until they talk to the coaches of those teams to see in fact what their requirements are for each group.
We’ve moved several times with swimmers and the environments are VERY different.
Anonymous
11/22/2024 10:36
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Machine's Madeira site has evening practices
Whats the coaching like there? Do they have a good group of fast swimmer in this age group?
How fast is fast? What time standards is your kid swimming and how close are they to 13?
At least A times in every event.
Honestly you might find that some tops clubs in Nova wouldn’t consider your swimmer for their most elite practice groups without multiple AA and some AAA times.
Definitely reach out to coaches and discuss your swimmer’s times and set up some visits with different clubs so you can try them out and see how your swimmer connects with certain coaches and feels about the workouts.
+1 I would say if your swimmer has mostly A times they probably will not be considered for a high performance/elite group unless perhaps they JUST turned 11 and have AA+ in best events. If they are already 12 most elite groups are going to be full of kids at the AA-AAAA level in all events.
Such a typical DCUM response.
No, not all kids in "high performance" groups have AA-AAAA times. We swim for machine and HP for kids who are 11-12 does not mean kids have to have AA-AAAA times. Maybe name designation varies varies by club but I can't imagine most clubs have such a large number of kids with top times.
Seriously??? Why are you putting words into folks mouths. No one said her kid didn’t matter just setting realistic expectations for practice group placement based upon times. Not sure where OP is moving from and the requirements to be in the most competitive practice groups at her current location but wanted her to be aware of what might constitute most competitive/elite practices groups at each age for many teams in this area. Each team is obviously different so the most competitive group at one club might have higher or lower caliber swimmers than the most competitive group at another club. Thus the recommendation to reach out and talk with coaches. They will know best where her swimmer fits.
Our club’s 11-12 “most competitive” practice group certainly has lots of kids with multiple AA, AAA times.
"Lots of kids" is not the same as telling someone "if your swimmer has mostly A times they probably will not be considered for a high performance/elite group unless perhaps they JUST turned 11". That is just laughable. To implies that all kids must have these times to even be considered for a HP group and that is simply not true. But in DCUM fashion you just love to make it sound like everything is so complex and only "top" performers can get into HP group. Seriously tell me which club has a HP group where all kids have AA times. Why is everyone so oddly competitive here?
Anonymous
11/22/2024 10:05
Subject: Re:Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Anonymous wrote:Agree…a kid at 11-14 with mostly A times and is dedicated to the sport will be in an elite group.
And that is what's important. Some posters need to stop with the "my kid has AA-AAAA times," so they're better than your kid crap. They're not the ones swimming, their kid(s) are.
As an official, I've seen kids with AA-AAAA disqualified on numerous occasions (and had to do it myself), as well as clock BB times when they have a bad meet. It's hard to see their parents give them withering looks (or worse) when this happens.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 18:15
Subject: Re:Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Agree…a kid at 11-14 with mostly A times and is dedicated to the sport will be in an elite group.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 17:35
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Machine's Madeira site has evening practices
Whats the coaching like there? Do they have a good group of fast swimmer in this age group?
How fast is fast? What time standards is your kid swimming and how close are they to 13?
At least A times in every event.
Honestly you might find that some tops clubs in Nova wouldn’t consider your swimmer for their most elite practice groups without multiple AA and some AAA times.
Definitely reach out to coaches and discuss your swimmer’s times and set up some visits with different clubs so you can try them out and see how your swimmer connects with certain coaches and feels about the workouts.
+1 I would say if your swimmer has mostly A times they probably will not be considered for a high performance/elite group unless perhaps they JUST turned 11 and have AA+ in best events. If they are already 12 most elite groups are going to be full of kids at the AA-AAAA level in all events.
Such a typical DCUM response.
No, not all kids in "high performance" groups have AA-AAAA times. We swim for machine and HP for kids who are 11-12 does not mean kids have to have AA-AAAA times. Maybe name designation varies varies by club but I can't imagine most clubs have such a large number of kids with top times.
Seriously??? Why are you putting words into folks mouths. No one said her kid didn’t matter just setting realistic expectations for practice group placement based upon times. Not sure where OP is moving from and the requirements to be in the most competitive practice groups at her current location but wanted her to be aware of what might constitute most competitive/elite practices groups at each age for many teams in this area. Each team is obviously different so the most competitive group at one club might have higher or lower caliber swimmers than the most competitive group at another club. Thus the recommendation to reach out and talk with coaches. They will know best where her swimmer fits.
Our club’s 11-12 “most competitive” practice group certainly has lots of kids with multiple AA, AAA times.
The poster you’re responding to referenced Machine, and they are generous with their high performance label for swimmers in the 12-14 age range. It doesn’t necessarily directly correspond to kids with super fast times, more so that those swimmers aren’t old enough for the senior groups yet so they are placed in high performance silver. All of this goes to show that it really is club dependent. In my swimmer’s 11-12 high performance group (not Machine) there are definitely swimmers with majority AA times with some AAA and AAAA times, but the majority of the swimmers in the group are not at that level. Those are the kids that will go on to be in the very top training group in HS, but you don’t have to be at that level for the MS high performance group.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 17:10
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a 12 year old in a high performance group at NCAP and it’s crazy to suggest that you need to be AAA/AAAA across the board to get into those groups. 13-14 is the mark where kids really start being separated into differing groups by times, with time standards/QTs that need to be achieved for entry. I know swimmers at Machine that are in one of the groups labeled high performance that barely have B cuts.
There is a huge difference between A cuts in all events and AAA/AAAA across the board. Geez 🙄
People are responding to the 11:39 poster who insinuated that if an 11-12 swimmer isn’t AA-AAAA across the board they likely will not get into a high performance group, which just isn’t accurate.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 16:46
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Anonymous wrote:I have a 12 year old in a high performance group at NCAP and it’s crazy to suggest that you need to be AAA/AAAA across the board to get into those groups. 13-14 is the mark where kids really start being separated into differing groups by times, with time standards/QTs that need to be achieved for entry. I know swimmers at Machine that are in one of the groups labeled high performance that barely have B cuts.
There is a huge difference between A cuts in all events and AAA/AAAA across the board. Geez 🙄
Anonymous
11/21/2024 16:44
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Machine's Madeira site has evening practices
Whats the coaching like there? Do they have a good group of fast swimmer in this age group?
How fast is fast? What time standards is your kid swimming and how close are they to 13?
At least A times in every event.
Honestly you might find that some tops clubs in Nova wouldn’t consider your swimmer for their most elite practice groups without multiple AA and some AAA times.
Definitely reach out to coaches and discuss your swimmer’s times and set up some visits with different clubs so you can try them out and see how your swimmer connects with certain coaches and feels about the workouts.
+1 I would say if your swimmer has mostly A times they probably will not be considered for a high performance/elite group unless perhaps they JUST turned 11 and have AA+ in best events. If they are already 12 most elite groups are going to be full of kids at the AA-AAAA level in all events.
Such a typical DCUM response.
No, not all kids in "high performance" groups have AA-AAAA times. We swim for machine and HP for kids who are 11-12 does not mean kids have to have AA-AAAA times. Maybe name designation varies varies by club but I can't imagine most clubs have such a large number of kids with top times.
Seriously??? Why are you putting words into folks mouths. No one said her kid didn’t matter just setting realistic expectations for practice group placement based upon times. Not sure where OP is moving from and the requirements to be in the most competitive practice groups at her current location but wanted her to be aware of what might constitute most competitive/elite practices groups at each age for many teams in this area. Each team is obviously different so the most competitive group at one club might have higher or lower caliber swimmers than the most competitive group at another club. Thus the recommendation to reach out and talk with coaches. They will know best where her swimmer fits.
Our club’s 11-12 “most competitive” practice group certainly has lots of kids with multiple AA, AAA times.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 16:31
Subject: Virginia team sites that are (a) inside and (b) in the evenings - “high performance” 11-12s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Machine's Madeira site has evening practices
Whats the coaching like there? Do they have a good group of fast swimmer in this age group?
How fast is fast? What time standards is your kid swimming and how close are they to 13?
At least A times in every event.
Honestly you might find that some tops clubs in Nova wouldn’t consider your swimmer for their most elite practice groups without multiple AA and some AAA times.
Definitely reach out to coaches and discuss your swimmer’s times and set up some visits with different clubs so you can try them out and see how your swimmer connects with certain coaches and feels about the workouts.
+1 I would say if your swimmer has mostly A times they probably will not be considered for a high performance/elite group unless perhaps they JUST turned 11 and have AA+ in best events. If they are already 12 most elite groups are going to be full of kids at the AA-AAAA level in all events.
Such a typical DCUM response.
No, not all kids in "high performance" groups have AA-AAAA times. We swim for machine and HP for kids who are 11-12 does not mean kids have to have AA-AAAA times. Maybe name designation varies varies by club but I can't imagine most clubs have such a large number of kids with top times.
+1 Not to mention that OP never said her DC has "mostly A times" or doesn't have "multiple AA or AAA" times. They said the swimmer has at least A times in all events.
Also, please tell me more about all these elite PVS groups where the 12-year-olds are "full of kids with AAAA times in ALL events".
Exactly. They don't exist. There are less than 5 11-12 boys in all of PVS that are doing AAAA times in ANY events. There are zero doing AAAA in every event. There are roughly 30 doing AA+ in most events.
The post never said AAAA in every event.
DP, but see the bolded.
What bolded? No post ever said the swimmers in the group were AAAA in every event. That was made up by someone who made a really dumb response.