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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.

Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.

Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.

DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.

It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?

Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.

I have been to all of them and you don't know what you're talking about. In none of those places has anything been attempted all at once city wide.

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.

Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.

Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.

DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.

It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?

Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.

Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.

Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.

DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.

It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.

Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.

Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.

DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.

It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.

Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.

Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.

Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.

Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.

DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.

Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.

Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.

Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

That's an underestimate. Almost all of the bike lane projects involve taking away a general traffc lane. This study, which was a whopping 3%, is not only statistically insignificant but also has a disengenuous headline. That 3% reduction is not in comparison to the beforehand configuration but rather the new configuration. The new configuration is what increases congestion significantly.

It's also important to understand that the only ways of durably reducing congestion is: (1) depopulation; or (2)make more efficient means of transportation more attractive.

DC is not going to build any new roads or widen existing ones. If the DC economy and/or population grow, increased congestion is inevitable. This is essentially an iron law of traffic.

The only way that we can avoid congestion, therefore, is to encourage drivers to adopt public transport and/or micro-mobility (bikes, e-scooters, walking etc.). This is what the city is doing by adding bus lanes and bike lanes.

You may not plan to live in DC for longer than a few years. In which case, such considerations may not matter to you. But those of us who plan to be here longer can see the wisdom in what the city is doing.

expanding regional rail would help too.

This is something that is often overlooked, but is a very important point. The region is rich in rails, but poor in services. As someone who lives in DC, I would love to be able to take the train out to Harpers Ferry for the day.

This is almost too perfect a caricature.

What's so weird about a day trip to Harpers Ferry by train? There already is a train that runs between DC and Harpers Ferry. Unfortunately, it doesn't run on weekends. It's the same situation with day trips to Frederick by train. And, while we're thinking regionally, train connections to Annapolis and to Ocean City.

Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.