Anonymous
Post 11/04/2024 17:59     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
Anonymous wrote:Didn’t read the responses but the obvious choice is Arizona State Tempe where Michael Phelps coach is the coach and where Leon Marchand choose to attend because of the coach.


This is incorrect. Bob Bowman left Arizona.
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2024 15:51     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
Anonymous wrote:unless you are recruited by the college, you are just another varsity athlete with a mediocre GPA. Recruitment usually happens through your club team.

If you were actually in the mix for recruitment, D1 or D3, you wouldn't be on this site asking this question.


This is what I’m thinking. Either that, or their club coach is crap and has no idea how to advise an “elite” athlete of this age group.
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2024 15:13     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
Facebook has a parents of college athletes group--I would start there for more information.

I have several friends with college athletes--I believe all of them used paid college counselors to navigate the athletic recruitment admissions process as it's very very different from the rest of us applying to colleges. Good luck!
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2024 14:54     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
unless you are recruited by the college, you are just another varsity athlete with a mediocre GPA. Recruitment usually happens through your club team.

If you were actually in the mix for recruitment, D1 or D3, you wouldn't be on this site asking this question.
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2024 14:45     Subject: Re:Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
This is not correct re swimming. I’ve heard from two separate sources they are tough on academics for their swim team. A swimmer who can’t stay eligible at Duke and while swimming 20 plus hours per week is of no use to that team. No scholarships in that men’s program, so they aren’t winning NCAAs anytime soon. They recruit kids that fit there both swimming wise and academically
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2024 14:35     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
Anonymous wrote:My cousin was recruited to UNC as an elite distance swimmer on scholarship. Below a 3.5. Had no issue being admitted. He was Olympic trials final level, but not Olympics level (although close enough that it was plausible in HS).

There's elite and there's "elite." A 3.5 is not disqualifying for a good D1 swim program if they want him/her.


NCAA minimum high school GPA is 2.3. There are plenty of elite athletes at Power 4 schools with 2.5ish GPAs. Plenty at Vandy and Duke with say a 3.0 GPA (with little course rigor).

The difference is they are legitimately elite athletes.
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2024 12:14     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
What is the rigor of the 3.5? Not all 3.5s are the same.
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2024 12:10     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
My cousin was recruited to UNC as an elite distance swimmer on scholarship. Below a 3.5. Had no issue being admitted. He was Olympic trials final level, but not Olympics level (although close enough that it was plausible in HS).

There's elite and there's "elite." A 3.5 is not disqualifying for a good D1 swim program if they want him/her.
Anonymous
Post 11/04/2024 08:33     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
Anonymous wrote:Didn’t read the responses but the obvious choice is Arizona State Tempe where Michael Phelps coach is the coach and where Leon Marchand choose to attend because of the coach.


Not anymore. Now at Texas.
Anonymous
Post 11/03/2024 22:34     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
Anonymous wrote:My question is about the gpa, not the swim times. Assume that the times are division 1 very competitive.


If the swimming is the factor that will get them accepted - why are you asking about the gpa?
Anonymous
Post 11/03/2024 21:24     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
Anonymous wrote:Didn’t read the responses but the obvious choice is Arizona State Tempe where Michael Phelps coach is the coach and where Leon Marchand choose to attend because of the coach.


ASU recruited scholarship swimmers would generally be olympic level. And they would undoubtedly have a ton of schools reaching out. I have a track athlete. Lots of D3 interest from random colleges who are reaching out. D1 is a different level. Texas and Stanford haven't called. DC may have to rely on their brains.

But it's nice to have the options. A 3.5 is not getting you anywhere. But D3 schools will reach out for great, but not quite ready for prime time D1 athletes.
Anonymous
Post 11/03/2024 21:07     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
Anonymous wrote:You are either a troll or woefully uninformed about swimming recruiting.

D1 scholarship caps for swimming are increasing to 30 but most schools outside P4 aren’t going to be able to afford the cap.

If your kids is truly a D1 P4 recruit she can get in anywhere with a 3.5.

On the other hand, VMI is “D1” but their times are basically D2-D3 times.


30 will be a decrease for many women’s rosters, and a major decrease for some of those.

Men’s rosters will be under 25 (22 in SEC is the current expectation).
Anonymous
Post 11/03/2024 20:56     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
Didn’t read the responses but the obvious choice is Arizona State Tempe where Michael Phelps coach is the coach and where Leon Marchand choose to attend because of the coach.
Anonymous
Post 11/03/2024 14:27     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I find it strange when people ask a sports question prefaced by “my kid is an elite athlete in sport X” and then ask basic recruiting questions.

I don’t know any elite athlete families that need to pose questions on DCUM. Those families are in the rarified position of sifting through double-digit D1 offers and just figuring out which one to select.

Look at Team Durant…the Sidwell kid just committed to play basketball at Kentucky and had like 30 offers. His teammate last year is playing for Georgetown and also had over 20 offers.

I get basketball is different from swimming…but I doubt the process was much different for Katie Ledecky (or any Olympic swimmer or any swimmer just missing the cut…you know, an elite athlete).


Yep, especially when they don’t even post stats.


My guess is OP has a current 8th-10th grader who they expect will keep getting faster (no guarantee) and they know is not a straight A student. For swimming, you can be elite in 8,9th grade and then others pass you by B4 recruiting gets going. It’s also about what you consider elite, which OP is not sharing. But you can be a solid D1 recruit without being an Olympian (particularly as a woman)
Anonymous
Post 11/03/2024 10:10     Subject: Elite swimmer 3.5 unweighted
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:tufts has a good swim program


Tufts isn’t taking a 3.5.

If you are looking at D3s you will have to be at least at the median for admission stats. Or possibly be way above the time norms for the team if it’s a coach that has some pull.


sure they are. depending on high school