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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

Hello low-information non-medical professional making false statements about medical terms. This is just to inform you that just because you don’t like the actual medical category for a procedure does not mean you get to change the name of it.

Abortion means the early termination of a pregnancy before a fetus can live outside the womb - whether spontaneous or medically induced by pill or surgery. Even if that pregnancy was doomed. It is an abortion. This is why miscarriages are labeled abortion in a patient’s file. Ask me how I know.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

This, in a nutshell.

And, OP, I do not have daughters or a sister, but I have multiple nieces. Thanks for asking!

Of course it’s healthcare.

WTF. Are you one of those men who deny that pregnancy has any physical affect on women’s bodies and is not a potential physical threat to women’s health and life?

A small percentage of abortions are healthcare, yes - something like 5%. Those situations are not threatened. The vast majority of abortions are done simply as a matter of preference/ convenience. That is not "healthcare."

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

Euphemism for infanticide. Vast majority of abortions result from consensual sex and are for birth control. Y’all know you are losing with all these hysterical last minute arguments. So fun to watch the meltdown.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion debate aside. Are you one of the parents who lets your kid get obese? Are you one of the parents who doesn't promote proper nutrition? Are you one of the parents who doesn't make their kids go outside and exercise? Are you one of the parents who lets their kids go on social media and get depression? Is this really a health care debate? If it is, then I wish every parent cared about these things first before arguing either way about pregnancy issues that occur much less frequently (and some arise because of obesity and mental health).

Wut…

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a southern state with stricter abortion limits than I would like. Even here, a woman can get an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. You’re fear mongering.

All civilized countries (including all of the progressive ones in Europe) have limits on abortion. We can discuss what those limits should be, but democrats won’t come to the table for the discussion.

Acc to JAMA, infant mortality is UP after Roe overturned. How do you sleep at night? This is not fear mongering.

Abortions are also up, so you can't make a direct line from abortion bans to infant mortality.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

This, in a nutshell.

And, OP, I do not have daughters or a sister, but I have multiple nieces. Thanks for asking!

Of course it’s healthcare.

WTF. Are you one of those men who deny that pregnancy has any physical affect on women’s bodies and is not a potential physical threat to women’s health and life?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion debate aside. Are you one of the parents who lets your kid get obese? Are you one of the parents who doesn't promote proper nutrition? Are you one of the parents who doesn't make their kids go outside and exercise? Are you one of the parents who lets their kids go on social media and get depression? Is this really a health care debate? If it is, then I wish every parent cared about these things first before arguing either way about pregnancy issues that occur much less frequently (and some arise because of obesity and mental health).

OP - to answer your question no. My kids are all thin (I am trying to get them to gain weight), eat healthy, are not on social media, have no cell phones, do multiple sports and are good at school. I actively sit with them to do homework every night. We bike and/or walk together after dinner. Between my 3 kids they have sports 10 times a week.

We get it, OP. You and your family, and your kids, are perfect. Therefore, you can afford to be a single-issue voter on an issue that does not even score in the top 5 for most families.

I care about inflation, keeping my sons out of WW3, and crime reduction. Voting Trump and R down the ballot, for the first time ever.

Anonymous wrote:Live in a southern state. Women can get female healthcare here.

We are not 3rd world in the south. And have renown medical facilities.

Check back in after a few years of doctors leaving your state in droves.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

This, in a nutshell.

And, OP, I do not have daughters or a sister, but I have multiple nieces. Thanks for asking!

Anonymous wrote:I live in a southern state with stricter abortion limits than I would like. Even here, a woman can get an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. You’re fear mongering.

All civilized countries (including all of the progressive ones in Europe) have limits on abortion. We can discuss what those limits should be, but democrats won’t come to the table for the discussion.

In those civilized countries abortion is paid for by the government, as are all pre and post natal visits, and women can access abortions beyond the limits without government interference, lawyers weighing in, or having to travel 1000 miles to get one. Plus women get paid maternity leave, in many countries also a second parent does too, and there are strong social safety nets. Schools are decent up through university and university is almost free compared to the US.

So. Will anti-abortionists agree to adopting that kind of social welfare around abortion? Highly doubtful. They want to make all who seek abortion including child rape victims receive a wand up their vagina to hear the “heartbeat” of the 4 week post fertilization “baby”.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion debate aside. Are you one of the parents who lets your kid get obese? Are you one of the parents who doesn't promote proper nutrition? Are you one of the parents who doesn't make their kids go outside and exercise? Are you one of the parents who lets their kids go on social media and get depression? Is this really a health care debate? If it is, then I wish every parent cared about these things first before arguing either way about pregnancy issues that occur much less frequently (and some arise because of obesity and mental health).

OP - to answer your question no. My kids are all thin (I am trying to get them to gain weight), eat healthy, are not on social media, have no cell phones, do multiple sports and are good at school. I actively sit with them to do homework every night. We bike and/or walk together after dinner. Between my 3 kids they have sports 10 times a week.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

Yes, those are abortions! Good god…

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Anonymous wrote:Elective abortion is murder. Call it what you want to cover the fact, but that's the fact.
Thank your moms for not making this choice.

So you want to ban IVF?

Of course that poster wants to ban IVF. Not all the embryos make it and that is murder

There millions of voters with IVF kids, that want IVF kids, that know people that have IVF kids in their schools and communities. And it is an industry worth billions.

Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion debate aside. Are you one of the parents who lets your kid get obese? Are you one of the parents who doesn't promote proper nutrition? Are you one of the parents who doesn't make their kids go outside and exercise? Are you one of the parents who lets their kids go on social media and get depression? Is this really a health care debate? If it is, then I wish every parent cared about these things first before arguing either way about pregnancy issues that occur much less frequently (and some arise because of obesity and mental health).

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

NP (and a woman). Exactly this ^^. Nearly 96% of abortions are elective / are not performed specifically because of rape/incest, fetal abnormality, or the life/health of the mother. That is tragic and evil. If having a child is not something you want, there plenty of preventive options. Use them.

First of all there are no accurate stats on what percent of abortions are due to rape or incest because abortion providers in sane places don't ask that question. Abortions for rape or incest will be statistically recorded as "elective" because they are not medically indicated.

You also have no idea what percent of abortions are done because the woman r is in an abusive relationship and does not want to tie herself to her abuser via a child. Or where the woman has or has family who have debilitating mental health issues and does not want to pass them onto a child (or views herself as not mentally healthy enough to raise a child and at higher risk of PPD). Or where the woman is experiencing poverty or other instability such that having a child will not only risk the child not having access to basic needs like housing or food but also decrease the woman's ability to obtain these for herself.

Every one of those abortions is "elective" in that the woman chooses to have the abortion on her own without a doctor telling her she needs to have one. Yet I consider every one of those abortions to be as necessary as one for a fetal abnormality or to reduce risk of death to the mother or because of rape or incest. And there is no way for a law to separate any of these abortions out from any other abortion because the assessments a woman is making about her circumstances to decide whether it makes sense or is safe or healthy for her to have a baby right now are happening in the woman's own head and are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Women do not need to justify their decisions about their own bodies and whether they are going to take on the serious and important responsibility of motherhood to you.