Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There are no more threats out there that kids care about. You can’t fail them, can’t make them stay after school, in elementary you can’t take away recess. You can call home and usually get no answer. They fear nothing and they’re right.

This exactly. They see it, and their older siblings and cousins tell them that there are no actual consequences.

Yes, schools aren't law enforcement, and our tax dollars shouldn't be funding a quasi-judicial system. If there are issues, call the cops. That's their job.

We are to call the cops on children who won't stop talking in class?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for some classes, yes, some classes no. Better teachers who are more structured and teach, no. A lot of teachers don't have good control or organization over the classrooms, sadly

This is the crux of so many problems in school now. Parents and so many others blame the teachers.

The kids have no consequences at home and are not being taught to be respectful or held accountable for their behavior. They know the teachers hands are tied. If a teacher called our parents we knew we would get in trouble. These kids know their parents will side with them and not the teacher. It’s no wonder so many are leaving the profession.

Then inform these students and parents that said child has reached the threshold and so class related consequences will be imposed. For every time in a class I have to tell you child to shut the F up I will be deducting 5% from any and all assignments for the day.

1. They don't care.
2. There are not graded assignments every single day.

You clearly never set foot in schools. Thanks for chiming in to the thread.

Schools are already like prisons. They are like prisons where the inmates and the gangs run the prisons. Not a good learning environment for good students. Not a good teaching environment for professionals.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for some classes, yes, some classes no. Better teachers who are more structured and teach, no. A lot of teachers don't have good control or organization over the classrooms, sadly

This is the crux of so many problems in school now. Parents and so many others blame the teachers.

The kids have no consequences at home and are not being taught to be respectful or held accountable for their behavior. They know the teachers hands are tied. If a teacher called our parents we knew we would get in trouble. These kids know their parents will side with them and not the teacher. It’s no wonder so many are leaving the profession.

Then inform these students and parents that said child has reached the threshold and so class related consequences will be imposed. For every time in a class I have to tell you child to shut the F up I will be deducting 5% from any and all assignments for the day.

If only all admin supported this concept.

I know! If only they made schools more like prisons! This notion is very popular with the far-right.

Anonymous wrote:

There are no more threats out there that kids care about. You can’t fail them, can’t make them stay after school, in elementary you can’t take away recess. You can call home and usually get no answer. They fear nothing and they’re right.

This exactly. They see it, and their older siblings and cousins tell them that there are no actual consequences.

No it's that some teachers are better at classroom management than others.

I am a teacher and I dock grades of disrupters. I dock it just enough that they are passing and I don't get into trouble. So an A student gets a high B, a B students get a high C...

Also, good kids get more opportunities. Bad kids never hear of the opportunities.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for some classes, yes, some classes no. Better teachers who are more structured and teach, no. A lot of teachers don't have good control or organization over the classrooms, sadly

This is the crux of so many problems in school now. Parents and so many others blame the teachers.

The kids have no consequences at home and are not being taught to be respectful or held accountable for their behavior. They know the teachers hands are tied. If a teacher called our parents we knew we would get in trouble. These kids know their parents will side with them and not the teacher. It’s no wonder so many are leaving the profession.

Then inform these students and parents that said child has reached the threshold and so class related consequences will be imposed. For every time in a class I have to tell you child to shut the F up I will be deducting 5% from any and all assignments for the day.

If only all admin supported this concept.

What really puts the cherry on top of this scenario is that admin makes bad reviews of new teachers and they give no support for classroom control so all the blame of bad behavior is the teachers fault. Then they non renew great teachers who went into extreme ed debt to make peanuts working with violent kids and corrupt grade inflating data screwing admin. Makes teachers want to leave the profession and not return

I went to my DS's high school open house a few weeks ago, and was shocked/embarrassed/angry that one of the talkers was my kid. He is generally a very follow-the-rules type but is sometimes easily peer-pressured (since pre-school, so not a teen thing). In our subsequent conversations with him, he said that he talks only when the teacher is going "off on a tangent." I had to explain to him that it is rude to not give your teachers your undivided attention even if you're not interested in what they're saying at the moment or is answering another kid's question. I'm glad the high school had the open house and that I went so I could observe not only the teachers but also my chatty, rude kid! Sigh. Work in progress!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for some classes, yes, some classes no. Better teachers who are more structured and teach, no. A lot of teachers don't have good control or organization over the classrooms, sadly

This is the crux of so many problems in school now. Parents and so many others blame the teachers.

The kids have no consequences at home and are not being taught to be respectful or held accountable for their behavior. They know the teachers hands are tied. If a teacher called our parents we knew we would get in trouble. These kids know their parents will side with them and not the teacher. It’s no wonder so many are leaving the profession.

Then inform these students and parents that said child has reached the threshold and so class related consequences will be imposed. For every time in a class I have to tell you child to shut the F up I will be deducting 5% from any and all assignments for the day.

Anonymous wrote:for some classes, yes, some classes no. Better teachers who are more structured and teach, no. A lot of teachers don't have good control or organization over the classrooms, sadly

This is the crux of so many problems in school now. Parents and so many others blame the teachers.

The kids have no consequences at home and are not being taught to be respectful or held accountable for their behavior. They know the teachers hands are tied. If a teacher called our parents we knew we would get in trouble. These kids know their parents will side with them and not the teacher. It’s no wonder so many are leaving the profession.

Yes there is a lot of talking. It represents the wider disintegration of the social order and respect for others.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do your kids also tell you that students in their class talk so much? To the point that the class can not complete scheduled class assignments, projects, simulations etc..? How do teachers handle this?

Teacher's are not allowed to discipline students in MCPS because that would be racist. So they let them talk and try to get through what they can.

Ok cult of stupid how do you make it through a day?

Anonymous wrote:

There are no more threats out there that kids care about. You can’t fail them, can’t make them stay after school, in elementary you can’t take away recess. You can call home and usually get no answer. They fear nothing and they’re right.

This exactly. They see it, and their older siblings and cousins tell them that there are no actual consequences.

Yes, schools aren't law enforcement, and our tax dollars shouldn't be funding a quasi-judicial system. If there are issues, call the cops. That's their job.

There are no more threats out there that kids care about. You can’t fail them, can’t make them stay after school, in elementary you can’t take away recess. You can call home and usually get no answer. They fear nothing and they’re right.

This exactly. They see it, and their older siblings and cousins tell them that there are no actual consequences.