Anonymous
10/18/2024 15:26
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
Anonymous wrote:Basically when a “conservative” (read: MAGA) says news has a liberal bias, they mean the news isn’t being told (or not told) from the perspective of MAGA. So to them, unless it is MAGA aligned it is biased. This includes both unbiased/accurate/factual news and also liberally biased news (MSNBC, now CNN, and NYT editorial pages).
So MAGA will say Fox News is unbiased (as some posters here do).
But what they mean, for example, is Fox News told the MAGA truth on things like the “stolen “ 2020 election. They’re so deluded that they think that is the truth and if you report anything other than that truth then your biased.
So, when the AP writes a wire story about Trump lying (which is factual) and Rachel Maddow goes on a talking heads tirade and editorializes, they say it’s the same thing.
It is factually accurate to call MAGA an authoritarian, nativist, populist, xenophobic, pseudo-fascist movement. Those are factual descriptions based on the public statements and actions of the movement’s leaders. This belongs in unbiased reporting - and in fact, simply calling the movement “conservative” is factually inaccurate and biased.
On the other hand, because MAGA opposes abortion, it is not factual to say “MAGA is waging a war on women”. That is an opinion and is subjective and biased.
I think the real problem here is the declining quality of education that didn’t get “fact/opinion” and “objective/subjective” drills repeated enough for students that they could take that critical analysis with them into adulthood.
As an educational post as you seem to be advocating, do you see here how you are showing your bias? Everything is through the lens of conservative = MAGA = bad. Trying doing the same experiment with a liberal, far-leaning left POV and see what you get. My point is it not just the far right doing this. It is far left, as well. There are many of us who have traditionally voted Democrat, and suddenly finding ourselves in a world ruled by social media nut cases on both sides. At this point, if feels very much like Pick Your Poison.
Anonymous
10/18/2024 15:22
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
Reading multiple sources traces out common truth, and shows that there are multiple interpretations that an outsider can't ascertain with accurate confidence.
Anonymous
10/18/2024 15:21
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
Everyone is biased and everyone has agenda.
If you want to know the truth you have to take the obligation upon yourself to evaluate sources, and risk being wrong, and accept that you'll never know the full truth.
If you want to know the truth you have to take the obligation upon yourself to evaluate sources, and risk being wrong, and accept that you'll never know the full truth.
Anonymous
10/18/2024 15:20
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No such thing as unbiased news. It is all opinion and spin with sprinkled in facts. You just have to be able to easily separate out the facts.
Very Orwellian.
There are actual facts and there is reporting on the facts. The idea that we live in a post-fact world is part of the MAGA platform to get everyone to not trust our institutions.
No one said what you are babbling about. "News" is not the same as "facts".
Did you not learn about Yellow Journalism at school?
Anonymous
10/18/2024 15:17
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
I know many many journalists. None of them are pushing an agenda. They do all tend to skew left. Why? Because when you TALK to people all day long about their problems, you start to realize the many many ways that society has failed. You see the human toll of every single headline. Yes, real journalists, who are not doing it for "entertainment" and have a shred of empathy might start unbiased, or in the middle, but they don't stay there.
Progress is GOOD. Being a progressive is a human value. The news covers PEOPLE and people want empathy for their challenges. That alone makes most people, who are not rich white men, lean left.
Progress is GOOD. Being a progressive is a human value. The news covers PEOPLE and people want empathy for their challenges. That alone makes most people, who are not rich white men, lean left.
Anonymous
10/18/2024 15:15
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are a handful of legit reporters at Fox. I honestly feel sorry for them, because they are drowned out by the godawful editorializing.
They have some great stringers, on-location reporters, and beat reporters such as Jennifer Griffin and Trey Yingst. Trey’s embeds in Middle East are just eye popping. Some of the best reporting around. BBC and NPR (vintage) level.
Brett Baier is also very solid.
NPR still does fantastic reporting, especially anything science related.
Anonymous
10/18/2024 15:10
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Of course it exists. The WSJ, WaPo, NYT, BBC, NPR. In spite of rightwing fantasies about mainstream media being "leftist," all these publications publish the news. Stay away from the editorial pages, and you are getting...news.
This is totally not true. BBC might be a little better, but all others are biased and misleading, but they claim they are not biased and reporting 'news'. They are even worse than Fox, because when people watch or read Fox, people know right away that they are biased somehow and know how to react accordingly. Those you mentioned are worse since they are PURPOSELY misleading but in a subtle way. After reading my post, go back to compare the reports on the same issue between Fox and all those you listed, you will find out they are biased, but it is hard for people to realize it.
It is very sad that there are no unbiased news outlets in the US. And most of the news outlets are not honest. Fox is honest, but it is unfortunately biased.
The BBC is the worst
Anonymous
10/18/2024 15:07
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
Anonymous wrote:Al jazeera
Of course, news that is funded by the propaganda arm of a hereditary monarchy where being LBGT is punishable by death is “unbiased.”
Anonymous
10/18/2024 14:57
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
Anonymous wrote:There are a handful of legit reporters at Fox. I honestly feel sorry for them, because they are drowned out by the godawful editorializing.
They have some great stringers, on-location reporters, and beat reporters such as Jennifer Griffin and Trey Yingst. Trey’s embeds in Middle East are just eye popping. Some of the best reporting around. BBC and NPR (vintage) level.
Brett Baier is also very solid.
Anonymous
10/18/2024 14:48
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
If they report news with just statement of the obvious, that would be obvious.
Like, the person drove a car and it hit the tree. The person was taken to the hospital.
Or, the sun will be out today and it will set at 6:30pm where we are. Otherwise, any other reporting of a great or cold day is entirely bias. Just cause you think it's sunny doesn't mean it is great.
Like, the person drove a car and it hit the tree. The person was taken to the hospital.
Or, the sun will be out today and it will set at 6:30pm where we are. Otherwise, any other reporting of a great or cold day is entirely bias. Just cause you think it's sunny doesn't mean it is great.
Anonymous
10/18/2024 14:20
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
There are a handful of legit reporters at Fox. I honestly feel sorry for them, because they are drowned out by the godawful editorializing.
Anonymous
10/18/2024 14:19
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
Al jazeera
Anonymous
10/18/2024 14:16
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
Try the BBC
Anonymous
10/18/2024 14:08
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
Anonymous wrote:No such thing as unbiased news. It is all opinion and spin with sprinkled in facts. You just have to be able to easily separate out the facts.
Very Orwellian.
There are actual facts and there is reporting on the facts. The idea that we live in a post-fact world is part of the MAGA platform to get everyone to not trust our institutions.
Anonymous
10/18/2024 14:08
Subject: Where can I find unbiased news?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here
https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
There is also a chart showing how far sources lean. I usually look at foxnews, nytimes and bbc and then call it a day.
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
+1 same. Belive it or not foxnews is more sane and fair than cnn, nbc, and the others. Give it a try.
Has CNN ever had to pay out hundreds of millions for making up news?