“2000 Miles” by The Pretenders

Face it! Christmas as a season turned secular in the 60s ( anyone remember the Charlie Brown Chistmas special?)

This isn’t a very good argument as the Charlie Brown Christmas Special is quite famously religious (and awesome!)
- NP former Episcopalian now atheist who recognizes that some songs and traditions are religious and other are not

Holly Jolly Crunkmas.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Christmas has become a secular holiday. I know Jewish and Muslim families who decorate with a tree. Just steer clear of any song referencing Jesus, but don’t be afraid to use a song referencing Christmas.

Jingle Bells

Winter Wonderland

All I Want for Christmas is You

Jingle Bell Rock

Last Christmas

Run, Run Rudolph

Etc.

Omg not this nonsense again. Christmas is not a secular holiday. It is a religious holiday. Sure, people celebrate it in a secular fashion and never once think of Jesus. The way I celebrate Hannukah by spinning a dreidal and listening to Adam Sandler. This doesn’t make hannukah a secular holiday it just makes me someone who is appropriating the fun parts of someone else’s religion. Which is fine.

Fun fact : many of your so called Christian Christmas traditions came from Pagan religions not Christianity. Wreaths, gift giving, Christmas lights, decorating trees and Yule logs belonged to pagan religions and were appropriated by Christianity .

Yes, we've all known that since we were kids because none of these things are mentioned in the Bible. But thanks for the annual reminder.

That poster does appear frequently on DCUM. They've decided that Christmas can't be religious because Yule Logs.

Anonymous wrote:baby its cold outside

RAPE!

Holy cow ( maybe Hindu reference?)!

Can't people just answer OP'S question?

Face it! Christmas as a season turned secular in the 60s ( anyone remember the Charlie Brown Chistmas special?)

Doesn't mean that the day itself can't be important to Christians. Let it be important then to you. Don't try to wrest the word "Christmas" from people who don’t believe. That shows that you have your eyes on the wrong things going to bat over something so unimportant as a word. Instead of arguing with them, invite them to your things if they want and share your warmth with them.

- a Christian

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Christmas has become a secular holiday. I know Jewish and Muslim families who decorate with a tree. Just steer clear of any song referencing Jesus, but don’t be afraid to use a song referencing Christmas.

Jingle Bells

Winter Wonderland

All I Want for Christmas is You

Jingle Bell Rock

Last Christmas

Run, Run Rudolph

Etc.

Omg not this nonsense again. Christmas is not a secular holiday. It is a religious holiday. Sure, people celebrate it in a secular fashion and never once think of Jesus. The way I celebrate Hannukah by spinning a dreidal and listening to Adam Sandler. This doesn’t make hannukah a secular holiday it just makes me someone who is appropriating the fun parts of someone else’s religion. Which is fine.

Fun fact : many of your so called Christian Christmas traditions came from Pagan religions not Christianity. Wreaths, gift giving, Christmas lights, decorating trees and Yule logs belonged to pagan religions and were appropriated by Christianity .

Yes we know. They are still related to a Christmas though.
This come up every year, the non religious people want a reason to do “ Christmas “ so find any way they can to explain themselves by calling it secular and jumping all over our traditions..

Want a reason to do christmas? what do you mean?

"jumping all over your traditions" might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We aren't religious and we love christmas. And the traditions have literally nothing to do with Jesus. Gingerbread house making. Baking cookies. Putting up a tree.

Literally, nothing to do with a fake birthday

I'm not Native American but I love wearing eagle feather headdresses. They go well with my saris. Oh wait....

Own it, you're appropriating.

Just don't include the Mariah Carey or Paul McCartney songs so your listeners won't be infected with ear worms.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Christmas has become a secular holiday. I know Jewish and Muslim families who decorate with a tree. Just steer clear of any song referencing Jesus, but don’t be afraid to use a song referencing Christmas.

Jingle Bells

Winter Wonderland

All I Want for Christmas is You

Jingle Bell Rock

Last Christmas

Run, Run Rudolph

Etc.

Omg not this nonsense again. Christmas is not a secular holiday. It is a religious holiday. Sure, people celebrate it in a secular fashion and never once think of Jesus. The way I celebrate Hannukah by spinning a dreidal and listening to Adam Sandler. This doesn’t make hannukah a secular holiday it just makes me someone who is appropriating the fun parts of someone else’s religion. Which is fine.

Fun fact : many of your so called Christian Christmas traditions came from Pagan religions not Christianity. Wreaths, gift giving, Christmas lights, decorating trees and Yule logs belonged to pagan religions and were appropriated by Christianity .

Yes we know. They are still related to a Christmas though.
This come up every year, the non religious people want a reason to do “ Christmas “ so find any way they can to explain themselves by calling it secular and jumping all over our traditions..

Want a reason to do christmas? what do you mean?

"jumping all over your traditions" might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We aren't religious and we love christmas. And the traditions have literally nothing to do with Jesus. Gingerbread house making. Baking cookies. Putting up a tree.

Literally, nothing to do with a fake birthday

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Christmas has become a secular holiday. I know Jewish and Muslim families who decorate with a tree. Just steer clear of any song referencing Jesus, but don’t be afraid to use a song referencing Christmas.

Jingle Bells

Winter Wonderland

All I Want for Christmas is You

Jingle Bell Rock

Last Christmas

Run, Run Rudolph

Etc.

Omg not this nonsense again. Christmas is not a secular holiday. It is a religious holiday. Sure, people celebrate it in a secular fashion and never once think of Jesus. The way I celebrate Hannukah by spinning a dreidal and listening to Adam Sandler. This doesn’t make hannukah a secular holiday it just makes me someone who is appropriating the fun parts of someone else’s religion. Which is fine.

It can be religious. It can be not religious but secular and cultural. Both are true.

Jesus was not born on 12/25 in December. It was Christians that "appropriated" pagan celebrations. This is history. Fact. You may wanna read up on it before you go around lecturing other people.

Actually we have no idea when Jesus was born. There's a 1/365 chance it was on December 25. But the idea that the date was chosen to coincide with solstice celebrations is off-base because those celebrations took place a few weeks earlier.

He was born near the time of the census, which is why they were traveling back to Bethlehem. Numerous scholars place it in September anywhere from 11-20th, in 2-6 BC.

So 1/365th chance is clearly incorrect.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Christmas has become a secular holiday. I know Jewish and Muslim families who decorate with a tree. Just steer clear of any song referencing Jesus, but don’t be afraid to use a song referencing Christmas.

Jingle Bells

Winter Wonderland

All I Want for Christmas is You

Jingle Bell Rock

Last Christmas

Run, Run Rudolph

Etc.

Omg not this nonsense again. Christmas is not a secular holiday. It is a religious holiday. Sure, people celebrate it in a secular fashion and never once think of Jesus. The way I celebrate Hannukah by spinning a dreidal and listening to Adam Sandler. This doesn’t make hannukah a secular holiday it just makes me someone who is appropriating the fun parts of someone else’s religion. Which is fine.

It can be religious. It can be not religious but secular and cultural. Both are true.

Jesus was not born on 12/25 in December. It was Christians that "appropriated" pagan celebrations. This is history. Fact. You may wanna read up on it before you go around lecturing other people.

Actually we have no idea when Jesus was born. There's a 1/365 chance it was on December 25. But the idea that the date was chosen to coincide with solstice celebrations is off-base because those celebrations took place a few weeks earlier.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Christmas has become a secular holiday. I know Jewish and Muslim families who decorate with a tree. Just steer clear of any song referencing Jesus, but don’t be afraid to use a song referencing Christmas.

Jingle Bells

Winter Wonderland

All I Want for Christmas is You

Jingle Bell Rock

Last Christmas

Run, Run Rudolph

Etc.

Omg not this nonsense again. Christmas is not a secular holiday. It is a religious holiday. Sure, people celebrate it in a secular fashion and never once think of Jesus. The way I celebrate Hannukah by spinning a dreidal and listening to Adam Sandler. This doesn’t make hannukah a secular holiday it just makes me someone who is appropriating the fun parts of someone else’s religion. Which is fine.

Fun fact : many of your so called Christian Christmas traditions came from Pagan religions not Christianity. Wreaths, gift giving, Christmas lights, decorating trees and Yule logs belonged to pagan religions and were appropriated by Christianity .

Yes we know. They are still related to a Christmas though.
This come up every year, the non religious people want a reason to do “ Christmas “ so find any way they can to explain themselves by calling it secular and jumping all over our traditions..

Wait, can you say "appropriation" of Christian traditions by non-religious people?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Christmas has become a secular holiday. I know Jewish and Muslim families who decorate with a tree. Just steer clear of any song referencing Jesus, but don’t be afraid to use a song referencing Christmas.

Jingle Bells

Winter Wonderland

All I Want for Christmas is You

Jingle Bell Rock

Last Christmas

Run, Run Rudolph

Etc.

Omg not this nonsense again. Christmas is not a secular holiday. It is a religious holiday. Sure, people celebrate it in a secular fashion and never once think of Jesus. The way I celebrate Hannukah by spinning a dreidal and listening to Adam Sandler. This doesn’t make hannukah a secular holiday it just makes me someone who is appropriating the fun parts of someone else’s religion. Which is fine.

Fun fact : many of your so called Christian Christmas traditions came from Pagan religions not Christianity. Wreaths, gift giving, Christmas lights, decorating trees and Yule logs belonged to pagan religions and were appropriated by Christianity .

This is brand. new. information. Nobody knew this.

The really fun part is that the poster fails to see the irony in pointing this out, even as they're probably trying to appropriate the fun parts of Christmas (gifts, trees, etc) for themselves.

Arguably, gift giving is very Christian, because the three magi visited Jesus with gifts of frankincense, gold and myrrh at his birth. As are lights (the light that guided the magi). But in the end it doesn't really matter, it's about the message.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Christmas has become a secular holiday. I know Jewish and Muslim families who decorate with a tree. Just steer clear of any song referencing Jesus, but don’t be afraid to use a song referencing Christmas.

Jingle Bells

Winter Wonderland

All I Want for Christmas is You

Jingle Bell Rock

Last Christmas

Run, Run Rudolph

Etc.

Omg not this nonsense again. Christmas is not a secular holiday. It is a religious holiday. Sure, people celebrate it in a secular fashion and never once think of Jesus. The way I celebrate Hannukah by spinning a dreidal and listening to Adam Sandler. This doesn’t make hannukah a secular holiday it just makes me someone who is appropriating the fun parts of someone else’s religion. Which is fine.

Thanks, pp, for this great, pithy summary of what's actually going on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Christmas has become a secular holiday. I know Jewish and Muslim families who decorate with a tree. Just steer clear of any song referencing Jesus, but don’t be afraid to use a song referencing Christmas.

Jingle Bells

Winter Wonderland

All I Want for Christmas is You

Jingle Bell Rock

Last Christmas

Run, Run Rudolph

Etc.

Omg not this nonsense again. Christmas is not a secular holiday. It is a religious holiday. Sure, people celebrate it in a secular fashion and never once think of Jesus. The way I celebrate Hannukah by spinning a dreidal and listening to Adam Sandler. This doesn’t make hannukah a secular holiday it just makes me someone who is appropriating the fun parts of someone else’s religion. Which is fine.

Fun fact : many of your so called Christian Christmas traditions came from Pagan religions not Christianity. Wreaths, gift giving, Christmas lights, decorating trees and Yule logs belonged to pagan religions and were appropriated by Christianity .

Yes we know. They are still related to a Christmas though.
This come up every year, the non religious people want a reason to do “ Christmas “ so find any way they can to explain themselves by calling it secular and jumping all over our traditions..