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Anonymous wrote:The General Assembly has been quite vocal that they think that the big schools have “ganged up” on the smaller state schools. It’s going to be even harder for the big schools to get funding. Which creates a spiral effect.

Doesn't help the smaller schools are pushing that narrative too - I remember the Longwood president was calling for UVA and W&M to take less in-state students so students might going to Longwood again.

Kids who were competitive for UVA and W&M aren't going to go to Longwood.

Agreed but the Longwood president seems to think otherwise

When I was watching the floor debate where these grievances were being aired, the accusation was UVA pulls more from CWM which pulls from Tech which pulls from JMU which pulls from UMW and CNU which pulls from Longwood and Radford.

UVA and W&M have grown 15% and 13% respectively over the past 10 years. VT, GMU, and JMU have grown 22%, 21%, and 20% respectively and they are larger or much larger than even UVA in terms of undergraduate enrollment (and much, much larger than W&M). The issue for schools like Radford, Longwood, MW, and CNU is being caused by growth at those 3 schools. I wouldn't be surprised if their growth over the past 10 years exceeds the total enrollment at Radford, Longwood, CNU, and MW.

If kids prefer GMU and JMU, maybe the answer is to grow the better schools and close the failing schools

Mergers are the more likely scenario. Longwood is actually a very charming campus and their enrollment would almost certainly increase if branded UVa’s Longwood campus.

That's not going to happen - W&M is actively looking to split from Richard Bland, who knows how much longer UVA will keep Wise. The big colleges don't want to be tied to these others.

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https://www.highereddive.com/news/richard-bland-william-mary-proposed-seperation/650299/

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Anonymous wrote:The General Assembly has been quite vocal that they think that the big schools have “ganged up” on the smaller state schools. It’s going to be even harder for the big schools to get funding. Which creates a spiral effect.

Doesn't help the smaller schools are pushing that narrative too - I remember the Longwood president was calling for UVA and W&M to take less in-state students so students might going to Longwood again.

Kids who were competitive for UVA and W&M aren't going to go to Longwood.

Agreed but the Longwood president seems to think otherwise

When I was watching the floor debate where these grievances were being aired, the accusation was UVA pulls more from CWM which pulls from Tech which pulls from JMU which pulls from UMW and CNU which pulls from Longwood and Radford.

UVA and W&M have grown 15% and 13% respectively over the past 10 years. VT, GMU, and JMU have grown 22%, 21%, and 20% respectively and they are larger or much larger than even UVA in terms of undergraduate enrollment (and much, much larger than W&M). The issue for schools like Radford, Longwood, MW, and CNU is being caused by growth at those 3 schools. I wouldn't be surprised if their growth over the past 10 years exceeds the total enrollment at Radford, Longwood, CNU, and MW.

If kids prefer GMU and JMU, maybe the answer is to grow the better schools and close the failing schools

Mergers are the more likely scenario. Longwood is actually a very charming campus and their enrollment would almost certainly increase if branded UVa’s Longwood campus.

That's not going to happen - W&M is actively looking to split from Richard Bland, who knows how much longer UVA will keep Wise. The big colleges don't want to be tied to these others.

Cite?

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Anonymous wrote:The General Assembly has been quite vocal that they think that the big schools have “ganged up” on the smaller state schools. It’s going to be even harder for the big schools to get funding. Which creates a spiral effect.

Doesn't help the smaller schools are pushing that narrative too - I remember the Longwood president was calling for UVA and W&M to take less in-state students so students might going to Longwood again.

Kids who were competitive for UVA and W&M aren't going to go to Longwood.

Agreed but the Longwood president seems to think otherwise

When I was watching the floor debate where these grievances were being aired, the accusation was UVA pulls more from CWM which pulls from Tech which pulls from JMU which pulls from UMW and CNU which pulls from Longwood and Radford.

UVA and W&M have grown 15% and 13% respectively over the past 10 years. VT, GMU, and JMU have grown 22%, 21%, and 20% respectively and they are larger or much larger than even UVA in terms of undergraduate enrollment (and much, much larger than W&M). The issue for schools like Radford, Longwood, MW, and CNU is being caused by growth at those 3 schools. I wouldn't be surprised if their growth over the past 10 years exceeds the total enrollment at Radford, Longwood, CNU, and MW.

If kids prefer GMU and JMU, maybe the answer is to grow the better schools and close the failing schools

Mergers are the more likely scenario. Longwood is actually a very charming campus and their enrollment would almost certainly increase if branded UVa’s Longwood campus.

I don’t think a merger is the likely solution but, if it happens, UVa would be more likely to absorb UMW which is in a better location and used to be the women’s college of UVA anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:The General Assembly has been quite vocal that they think that the big schools have “ganged up” on the smaller state schools. It’s going to be even harder for the big schools to get funding. Which creates a spiral effect.

Doesn't help the smaller schools are pushing that narrative too - I remember the Longwood president was calling for UVA and W&M to take less in-state students so students might going to Longwood again.

Kids who were competitive for UVA and W&M aren't going to go to Longwood.

Agreed but the Longwood president seems to think otherwise

When I was watching the floor debate where these grievances were being aired, the accusation was UVA pulls more from CWM which pulls from Tech which pulls from JMU which pulls from UMW and CNU which pulls from Longwood and Radford.

UVA and W&M have grown 15% and 13% respectively over the past 10 years. VT, GMU, and JMU have grown 22%, 21%, and 20% respectively and they are larger or much larger than even UVA in terms of undergraduate enrollment (and much, much larger than W&M). The issue for schools like Radford, Longwood, MW, and CNU is being caused by growth at those 3 schools. I wouldn't be surprised if their growth over the past 10 years exceeds the total enrollment at Radford, Longwood, CNU, and MW.

If kids prefer GMU and JMU, maybe the answer is to grow the better schools and close the failing schools

Mergers are the more likely scenario. Longwood is actually a very charming campus and their enrollment would almost certainly increase if branded UVa’s Longwood campus.

Or more likely the small schools all rebrand like Cal State and the Penn State Satellites. Make VSU the flagship and pub money into that than then you have VSU-Radford; VSU FarmVille; VSU Fredericksburg; VSU Newport News etc.

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Anonymous wrote:The General Assembly has been quite vocal that they think that the big schools have “ganged up” on the smaller state schools. It’s going to be even harder for the big schools to get funding. Which creates a spiral effect.

Doesn't help the smaller schools are pushing that narrative too - I remember the Longwood president was calling for UVA and W&M to take less in-state students so students might going to Longwood again.

Kids who were competitive for UVA and W&M aren't going to go to Longwood.

Agreed but the Longwood president seems to think otherwise

When I was watching the floor debate where these grievances were being aired, the accusation was UVA pulls more from CWM which pulls from Tech which pulls from JMU which pulls from UMW and CNU which pulls from Longwood and Radford.

UVA and W&M have grown 15% and 13% respectively over the past 10 years. VT, GMU, and JMU have grown 22%, 21%, and 20% respectively and they are larger or much larger than even UVA in terms of undergraduate enrollment (and much, much larger than W&M). The issue for schools like Radford, Longwood, MW, and CNU is being caused by growth at those 3 schools. I wouldn't be surprised if their growth over the past 10 years exceeds the total enrollment at Radford, Longwood, CNU, and MW.

If kids prefer GMU and JMU, maybe the answer is to grow the better schools and close the failing schools

Mergers are the more likely scenario. Longwood is actually a very charming campus and their enrollment would almost certainly increase if branded UVa’s Longwood campus.

That's not going to happen - W&M is actively looking to split from Richard Bland, who knows how much longer UVA will keep Wise. The big colleges don't want to be tied to these others.

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Anonymous wrote:The General Assembly has been quite vocal that they think that the big schools have “ganged up” on the smaller state schools. It’s going to be even harder for the big schools to get funding. Which creates a spiral effect.

Doesn't help the smaller schools are pushing that narrative too - I remember the Longwood president was calling for UVA and W&M to take less in-state students so students might going to Longwood again.

Kids who were competitive for UVA and W&M aren't going to go to Longwood.

Agreed but the Longwood president seems to think otherwise

When I was watching the floor debate where these grievances were being aired, the accusation was UVA pulls more from CWM which pulls from Tech which pulls from JMU which pulls from UMW and CNU which pulls from Longwood and Radford.

UVA and W&M have grown 15% and 13% respectively over the past 10 years. VT, GMU, and JMU have grown 22%, 21%, and 20% respectively and they are larger or much larger than even UVA in terms of undergraduate enrollment (and much, much larger than W&M). The issue for schools like Radford, Longwood, MW, and CNU is being caused by growth at those 3 schools. I wouldn't be surprised if their growth over the past 10 years exceeds the total enrollment at Radford, Longwood, CNU, and MW.

If kids prefer GMU and JMU, maybe the answer is to grow the better schools and close the failing schools

Mergers are the more likely scenario. Longwood is actually a very charming campus and their enrollment would almost certainly increase if branded UVa’s Longwood campus.

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Anonymous wrote:The General Assembly has been quite vocal that they think that the big schools have “ganged up” on the smaller state schools. It’s going to be even harder for the big schools to get funding. Which creates a spiral effect.

Doesn't help the smaller schools are pushing that narrative too - I remember the Longwood president was calling for UVA and W&M to take less in-state students so students might going to Longwood again.

Kids who were competitive for UVA and W&M aren't going to go to Longwood.

Why not?

Well duh they will have better options OOS and even in Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:The General Assembly has been quite vocal that they think that the big schools have “ganged up” on the smaller state schools. It’s going to be even harder for the big schools to get funding. Which creates a spiral effect.

Doesn't help the smaller schools are pushing that narrative too - I remember the Longwood president was calling for UVA and W&M to take less in-state students so students might going to Longwood again.

Kids who were competitive for UVA and W&M aren't going to go to Longwood.

Agreed but the Longwood president seems to think otherwise

When I was watching the floor debate where these grievances were being aired, the accusation was UVA pulls more from CWM which pulls from Tech which pulls from JMU which pulls from UMW and CNU which pulls from Longwood and Radford.

UVA and W&M have grown 15% and 13% respectively over the past 10 years. VT, GMU, and JMU have grown 22%, 21%, and 20% respectively and they are larger or much larger than even UVA in terms of undergraduate enrollment (and much, much larger than W&M). The issue for schools like Radford, Longwood, MW, and CNU is being caused by growth at those 3 schools. I wouldn't be surprised if their growth over the past 10 years exceeds the total enrollment at Radford, Longwood, CNU, and MW.

If kids prefer GMU and JMU, maybe the answer is to grow the better schools and close the failing schools

JMU is losing students to big out of state schools, so they are admitting students that 10 years ago would have gone to CNU, Radford, etc.

https://www.breezejmu.org/news/investigations-2020-enrollment-rate-fluctuates-brushes-against-goals/article_2dba1734-d524-11ea-8e84-13ead8c0e900.html

JMU simply can’t counter these “really nice” scholarship offers, Walsh explained. The university’s key competitors for out-of-state students, like Clemson and Penn State, are prepared to give 56-60% of the out-of-state students they recruit merit aid, which is need-blind aid given based on a student’s academic performance, while JMU offers merit aid to roughly 15% of their out-of-state recruits, Walsh said.

Perrine said JMU regularly competes for out-of-state students with schools that have been around longer and have significantly larger endowments than JMU. This endowment disparity means that JMU often can’t match the financial aid incentives given to these students, offering on average $6,000-12,000 to out-of-state students that received an average of $18,000 from competing universities, Walsh said.

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Anonymous wrote:Whats the wnrollment cliff

The upcoming "enrollment cliff" refers to a projected significant decline in the number of college-age US students, beginning around 2025 and continuing into the 2030s. This drop is largely attributed to the falling birth rates that occurred during the 2008 financial crisis and its aftermath, leading to fewer high school graduates.

This is awesome news for my kids born in fall 2008 and 2011.

I was thinking the same for my 2009er. Unless the schools they’d be interested in close, of course.

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Anonymous wrote:Whats the wnrollment cliff

The upcoming "enrollment cliff" refers to a projected significant decline in the number of college-age US students, beginning around 2025 and continuing into the 2030s. This drop is largely attributed to the falling birth rates that occurred during the 2008 financial crisis and its aftermath, leading to fewer high school graduates.

This is awesome news for my kids born in fall 2008 and 2011.

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Anonymous wrote:I am really surprised to see CNU there.

I’m surprised to see Mary Wash and Radford. They are both have attractive campuses in idyllic settings.

An attractive campus in an idyllic setting doesn’t make a school financially stable. There are completely different factors involved in this analysis. It’s really not about how appealing a campus is.

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Anonymous wrote:The General Assembly has been quite vocal that they think that the big schools have “ganged up” on the smaller state schools. It’s going to be even harder for the big schools to get funding. Which creates a spiral effect.

Doesn't help the smaller schools are pushing that narrative too - I remember the Longwood president was calling for UVA and W&M to take less in-state students so students might going to Longwood again.

Kids who were competitive for UVA and W&M aren't going to go to Longwood.

Agreed but the Longwood president seems to think otherwise

When I was watching the floor debate where these grievances were being aired, the accusation was UVA pulls more from CWM which pulls from Tech which pulls from JMU which pulls from UMW and CNU which pulls from Longwood and Radford.

UVA and W&M have grown 15% and 13% respectively over the past 10 years. VT, GMU, and JMU have grown 22%, 21%, and 20% respectively and they are larger or much larger than even UVA in terms of undergraduate enrollment (and much, much larger than W&M). The issue for schools like Radford, Longwood, MW, and CNU is being caused by growth at those 3 schools. I wouldn't be surprised if their growth over the past 10 years exceeds the total enrollment at Radford, Longwood, CNU, and MW.

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Anonymous wrote:The General Assembly has been quite vocal that they think that the big schools have “ganged up” on the smaller state schools. It’s going to be even harder for the big schools to get funding. Which creates a spiral effect.

Doesn't help the smaller schools are pushing that narrative too - I remember the Longwood president was calling for UVA and W&M to take less in-state students so students might going to Longwood again.

Kids who were competitive for UVA and W&M aren't going to go to Longwood.

Why not?

VA has too many public universities. Instead of increasing the size of the top tier schools, Virginia decided to keep too many smaller ones.