Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to compare public universities (from the NYT):

Students from top 1% of families

Michigan 9.3%
Virginia 8.5%
Illinois 2.5%
Penn State 2.3%
Wisconsin 1.7%

Students from top 10% of families

Michigan 49%
Virginia 49%
Illinois 30%
Penn State 27%
Wisconsin 19%

For starters, WI as a state does not have a huge pocket of wealthy people (most would end up in Chicago, not Madison or Milwaukee). Whereas VA has NoVa with a very large population of rich/UMC people.

MI is likely the same. Then for OOS---MI is extremely popular, but most are not paying $75K+ for a state school(or any school) if they are not well off.

Are you just making things up? Wisconsin has a number of Fortune 500 companies and closely held corps. It has the paper industry, SC Johnson, Miller Coors, Harley Davidson, Rockwell, Fiserv, Kohls, Johnson Controls, Oshkosh Corp, the biotech industry in Madison. I could go on and on. Not everyone with money goes to Chicago, but I am nit surprised that some ignorant DCUM poster jumps to this conclusion. Milwaukee and Madison have a number of beautiful wealthy areas and suburbs by the lakes that make everything in the DMV look like a dump. There is no shortage of money or wealth here. Sorry that blows your narrative.

Have a kid who has been in both of those cities for the last 8+ years. The wealth there simply does NOT compare to Chicago or a DCUMland. Yes it exists but not nearly at the level of other states. And have you been to the rest of WI? Largely rural, smaller towns. SO as a state, there is NOT as much wealth as say a Va

You would be surprised to know that UVa was popular for Jewish students -- going back to the 1950s.
https://makehistory.substack.com/p/stanfords-secret-jewish-quota

Anonymous wrote:UMich was a haven for top Jewish students, many of whom went on to build wealth, at a time when the Ivies limited their acceptance. This helped build not only its academic reputation plus its connection to the NYC area. My in-state UMich grad husband made friends with NYC area kids and moved East after graduation, where he could watch Big 10 games at a Michigan bar on the UWS of NYC.

Thanks! This is actually an answer to the question, which is WHY does Michigan and UVA appeal to wealthy people. I too know a number of Jewish people who went to Michigan and have significant ties to NYC.

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Anonymous wrote:Both these schools have tons of out of state students. With the insane competition for private T20s, schools like Michigan and UVA have benefitted by sweeping up affluent kids that missed out on the Ivy/T15 sweepstakes.

Michigan has been popular for decades with wealthy coasties. This is nothing new at all. Michigan has nearly as many OOS undergraduate students as the entire undergraduate population of UVA. It is in a league of its own in that regard.

+1 And Michigan is hardly where top 15 coastal rejects go as a consolation. It’s some top kids’ first choice for all the reasons stated in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan and UVA are highly selective schools. Now do this list for private colleges. It's not very complicated.

So is Wisconsin

lol

UMich was a haven for top Jewish students, many of whom went on to build wealth, at a time when the Ivies limited their acceptance. This helped build not only its academic reputation plus its connection to the NYC area. My in-state UMich grad husband made friends with NYC area kids and moved East after graduation, where he could watch Big 10 games at a Michigan bar on the UWS of NYC.

Most of these posts don’t really get at what attracts the wealthy to them. However, the few that highlight the history of UVA get closer to the point. As much as some may not like to admit it, UVA has been held in high regard by the NE corridor (Boston to Washington DC) elite since its founding. Consequently, there is a longstanding relationship between the wealthy and the school. The earlier links to articles about Virginia enrolling members of the NYC social index and relationships with Yale are just some examples.

I don’t know much about Michigan, but its connection to the wealthy doesn’t appear to be as long or as tradition-bound as that of UVA.

Anonymous wrote:Just to compare public universities (from the NYT):

Students from top 1% of families

Michigan 9.3%
Virginia 8.5%
Illinois 2.5%
Penn State 2.3%
Wisconsin 1.7%

Students from top 10% of families

Michigan 49%
Virginia 49%
Illinois 30%
Penn State 27%
Wisconsin 19%

Not as much aid and lesser academic requirements than top colleges?

Anonymous wrote:Michigan and UVA are highly selective schools. Now do this list for private colleges. It's not very complicated.

So is Wisconsin

Anonymous wrote:“UVA has a more genteel atmosphere but it's long been regarded as a public elite. It's one of the oldest universities in the nation.”

Fun fact. Michigan is older than UVA.

Nice try, but not really. UofM officially dates itself from 1837. UVA officially dates itself from 1819. Prior to Michigan’s official date, it was some weird primary school located in Detroit. In contrast, when UVA opened, students could immediately study in one of eight university-level schools, including sophisticated subjects, like law and medicine.

It’s called tuition, people: UVA and Michigan have the highest oos tuition of any public universities in the country. People who are value conscious realize that the same price for a private is a better value. People who are cost conscious go to another oos (or in-state) public or go down a prestige rung and get merit at a private (saving 10-20 per year over UVA or Michigan).

People who don’t care are rich…hence the demographic.

“UVA has a more genteel atmosphere but it's long been regarded as a public elite. It's one of the oldest universities in the nation.”

Fun fact. Michigan is older than UVA.

Anonymous wrote:Both these schools have tons of out of state students. With the insane competition for private T20s, schools like Michigan and UVA have benefitted by sweeping up affluent kids that missed out on the Ivy/T15 sweepstakes.

Michigan has been popular for decades with wealthy coasties. This is nothing new at all. Michigan has nearly as many OOS undergraduate students as the entire undergraduate population of UVA. It is in a league of its own in that regard.

Anonymous wrote:These are good to excellent schools, and are great options for kids looking for a big place or that might want a break from East Coast living.

Their parents can pay full out of state tuition, so the family has some means.

Since when is Virginia not on the east coast?

Anonymous wrote:Both these schools have tons of out of state students. With the insane competition for private T20s, schools like Michigan and UVA have benefitted by sweeping up affluent kids that missed out on the Ivy/T15 sweepstakes.

That is very true. And Michigan and UVA have long been regarded as very good schools. Plus, Michigan has enjoyed the rise in the popularity of STEM over the past couple of decades. Plus the school spirit, Ann Arbor, and football. And 50 percent of their students are OOS, so that creates both a wealthy vibe and a national alumni base. UVA has a more genteel atmosphere but it's long been regarded as a public elite. It's one of the oldest universities in the nation.

Penn State, Illinois, and Wisconsin are in a different tier. Though UIUC is very desirable for engineering and CS. I don't know what happened to Wisconsin. It was more of an it school in the 80s and early 90s, but then I guess Scott Walker happened. Florida under DeSantis really needs to be aware of the Wisconsin experience. Right wing politics - even for a few short years - can really hurt the state schools. And it can take decades for reputations to come back.

Then there is UNC and the UCs. But both systems are very, very instate focused, and it's difficult to see how they maintain their high national reps for undergrad in the years to come when very few OOS can get in, no matter how wealthy. And that already creates distortions. An OOS student at UNC tends to be much more accomplished than their instate counterparts. And who knows how things are going to play out at the UCs with their insistence on never looking at test scores again and having so few OOS students. But CA is a giant state so they can do their thing for longer than any other state.