Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If they do this, they really should explore: (1) making the light and left turn signal at Virginia Ave much, much longer, including possibly allowing both lanes to make the left turn, and (2) putting in a traffic light at that choke point after the tunnel where cars have to make the left turn.

This. Because it is the one way pattern in the AM that makes that choke point bearable. Without it, traffic would be at a complete standstill all down Beach Drive.
And yes, the smugness of the completely healthy and affluent on this thread is obnoxious. Not everyone is physically able to transport multiple kids to multiple schools on public transit and still get to work on time. Not everyone is rich enough to afford a place to live that is easily accessible to dominant transportation lines---whether metro or bus. Let's recap:

Klingle Road---major cross town arterial---permanently closed over a decade ago to accommodate the rich NIMBYs of Cleveland Park
Beach Drive ---permanently closed to traffic north of Broad Branch during Covid and never reopened
Zoo Road (another cross town access road during the day once Klingle closed) also permanently closed during Covid

Klingle Rd was permanently closed to traffic in the end because rebuilding the road to modern traffic engineering standards would have required decking over the creek and would have been prohibitively expensive to build and maintain for only a modest amount of traffic. Two other resulting benefits were a walk/bike trail connecting with the Rock Creek network and that the decision effectively killed a planned development of the remainder of Tregaron, which became conservation land.

Are people still fighting the Klingle Road War?! Good grief.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If they do this, they really should explore: (1) making the light and left turn signal at Virginia Ave much, much longer, including possibly allowing both lanes to make the left turn, and (2) putting in a traffic light at that choke point after the tunnel where cars have to make the left turn.

This. Because it is the one way pattern in the AM that makes that choke point bearable. Without it, traffic would be at a complete standstill all down Beach Drive.
And yes, the smugness of the completely healthy and affluent on this thread is obnoxious. Not everyone is physically able to transport multiple kids to multiple schools on public transit and still get to work on time. Not everyone is rich enough to afford a place to live that is easily accessible to dominant transportation lines---whether metro or bus. Let's recap:

Klingle Road---major cross town arterial---permanently closed over a decade ago to accommodate the rich NIMBYs of Cleveland Park
Beach Drive ---permanently closed to traffic north of Broad Branch during Covid and never reopened
Zoo Road (another cross town access road during the day once Klingle closed) also permanently closed during Covid

Klingle Rd was permanently closed to traffic in the end because rebuilding the road to modern traffic engineering standards would have required decking over the creek and would have been prohibitively expensive to build and maintain for only a modest amount of traffic. Two other resulting benefits were a walk/bike trail connecting with the Rock Creek network and that the decision effectively killed a planned development of the remainder of Tregaron, which became conservation land.

Anonymous wrote:You know what would help with traffic? DC schools having school buses for those kids who live more than a half-mile from school.

Anonymous wrote:

If they do this, they really should explore: (1) making the light and left turn signal at Virginia Ave much, much longer, including possibly allowing both lanes to make the left turn, and (2) putting in a traffic light at that choke point after the tunnel where cars have to make the left turn.

This. Because it is the one way pattern in the AM that makes that choke point bearable. Without it, traffic would be at a complete standstill all down Beach Drive.
And yes, the smugness of the completely healthy and affluent on this thread is obnoxious. Not everyone is physically able to transport multiple kids to multiple schools on public transit and still get to work on time. Not everyone is rich enough to afford a place to live that is easily accessible to dominant transportation lines---whether metro or bus. Let's recap:

Klingle Road---major cross town arterial---permanently closed over a decade ago to accommodate the rich NIMBYs of Cleveland Park
Beach Drive ---permanently closed to traffic north of Broad Branch during Covid and never reopened
Zoo Road (another cross town access road during the day once Klingle closed) also permanently closed during Covid

If they do this, they really should explore: (1) making the light and left turn signal at Virginia Ave much, much longer, including possibly allowing both lanes to make the left turn, and (2) putting in a traffic light at that choke point after the tunnel where cars have to make the left turn.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the problem with DC: they want workers back in the office but commuting here is a nightmare. They should be exploring ways to ease the commute, not make it worse. If anything, the one way needs to probably have the time periods expanded because the commutes here don't end at 9:15. A 10:00 end time is more realistic. Same thing in the evening -- 7:00 would be better.

Also, they need to do better traffic management on alternate roads like 16th Street -- e.g., allowing street parking on 16th Street is dumb. It's all residential, and if people want to park, they can do it on side streets.

People live on 16th Street- you think that residents don't have a reason to want to park in front of their houses? Would you want to park round the corner to make it easier for someone to drive through your neighborhood at a high rate of speed?

Anonymous wrote:This is the problem with DC: they want workers back in the office but commuting here is a nightmare. They should be exploring ways to ease the commute, not make it worse. If anything, the one way needs to probably have the time periods expanded because the commutes here don't end at 9:15. A 10:00 end time is more realistic. Same thing in the evening -- 7:00 would be better.

Also, they need to do better traffic management on alternate roads like 16th Street -- e.g., allowing street parking on 16th Street is dumb. It's all residential, and if people want to park, they can do it on side streets.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would create massive gridlock on Connecticut Ave (which DDOT wants to narrow effectively) and other already-crowded major streets. Waze-crazed drivers will frantically seek cut-through routes on narrow neighborhood streets, worsening safety for all.

Metro is your friend.

Metro is no friend of families with 2-plus kids with juggling work with kids’ schools, doctor visits, sports and other activités. That’s why at least one parent has to drive, sometimes a lot. The know-it-all cluelessness on this thread is really something.

Anonymous wrote:What could possibly be safer than one-way traffic? Sounds like BS to me. More from the anti-car lobby.

Anonymous wrote:Terrible idea. Needs to stay just as it is.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would create massive gridlock on Connecticut Ave (which DDOT wants to narrow effectively) and other already-crowded major streets. Waze-crazed drivers will frantically seek cut-through routes on narrow neighborhood streets, worsening safety for all.

Metro is your friend.

Metro is no friend of families with 2-plus kids with juggling work with kids’ schools, doctor visits, sports and other activités. That’s why at least one parent has to drive, sometimes a lot. The know-it-all cluelessness on this thread is really something.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would create massive gridlock on Connecticut Ave (which DDOT wants to narrow effectively) and other already-crowded major streets. Waze-crazed drivers will frantically seek cut-through routes on narrow neighborhood streets, worsening safety for all.

Metro is your friend.

Anonymous wrote:This is the problem with DC: they want workers back in the office but commuting here is a nightmare. They should be exploring ways to ease the commute, not make it worse. If anything, the one way needs to probably have the time periods expanded because the commutes here don't end at 9:15. A 10:00 end time is more realistic. Same thing in the evening -- 7:00 would be better.

Also, they need to do better traffic management on alternate roads like 16th Street -- e.g., allowing street parking on 16th Street is dumb. It's all residential, and if people want to park, they can do it on side streets.

Anonymous wrote:It would create massive gridlock on Connecticut Ave (which DDOT wants to narrow effectively) and other already-crowded major streets. Waze-crazed drivers will frantically seek cut-through routes on narrow neighborhood streets, worsening safety for all.