Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 18:47     Subject: RTO Rant
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That happened at my spouse's job. We think they did it on purpose to get the numbers down.


This is, in fact, a deliberate strategy. It's a good way to encourage the loafers to go on their way.


I don't understand this. If it were me, I'd just ignore the return to work and let them fire me.
Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 17:20     Subject: RTO Rant
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That happened at my spouse's job. We think they did it on purpose to get the numbers down.


This is, in fact, a deliberate strategy. It's a good way to encourage the loafers to go on their way.

Except the people who can find other jobs and therefore leave are the high performers.


Most workers are not high performers. Most high performers I know are generally willing to go into the office at least 2-3 days a week. The fully remote crowd has more slackers in it
Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 15:02     Subject: RTO Rant
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To be honest. Any company 90 percent of workers sit in "cubes" and shoot out product. Worker Bees. And only 1-3 percent of company are in the Senior Management team with Perks. Everyone cant be a SVP or higher.

The downside of remote is it raised expectations once laid off. An old coworker at a very high paid job that went fully remote in 2020 just got laid off.

I spoke to them and I got yes looking I want fully remote, if in person only hybrid and at most 2 days a week in person. Plus I want a short commute.

She then added I want my old salary at least and flexibility for kids appointments and home repairs, dentist appointments during work hours.

She had all that company that laid her off. She also was making $200,000.

She may get it, but when unemployed that is a big list of demands and salary


This is only proof that companies don't care about their workers. If she was capable of doing her work for the flexibility in return, who cares? These offices just want people to come in -even if their jobs don't dictate the need- just b/c they can. No matter how miserable it is for their workers.


Oh that’s just J1 J2 guy. He hates WFH and working mothers.
Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 14:48     Subject: RTO Rant
Anonymous wrote:We had call with senior level management on Monday where our President announced that we're all going back 3 days week toward the end of September. A bunch of managers in other areas of the country raised their hands and said they didn't have enough office space for all their people to sit in. They all downsized over the last few years. Our President was flummoxed and said that was something we'd need to work through.


Yes, this happened work our RTO. Terrible wifi and we were sitting on hallway floors and stairwells with laptops taking meetings. This is a megacorp we are talking about too, not some small business. It's slightly better now but not by much.
Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 14:15     Subject: RTO Rant
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That happened at my spouse's job. We think they did it on purpose to get the numbers down.


This is, in fact, a deliberate strategy. It's a good way to encourage the loafers to go on their way.

Except the people who can find other jobs and therefore leave are the high performers.


this x 1000000
Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 13:34     Subject: RTO Rant
Anonymous wrote:To be honest. Any company 90 percent of workers sit in "cubes" and shoot out product. Worker Bees. And only 1-3 percent of company are in the Senior Management team with Perks. Everyone cant be a SVP or higher.

The downside of remote is it raised expectations once laid off. An old coworker at a very high paid job that went fully remote in 2020 just got laid off.

I spoke to them and I got yes looking I want fully remote, if in person only hybrid and at most 2 days a week in person. Plus I want a short commute.

She then added I want my old salary at least and flexibility for kids appointments and home repairs, dentist appointments during work hours.

She had all that company that laid her off. She also was making $200,000.

She may get it, but when unemployed that is a big list of demands and salary


This is only proof that companies don't care about their workers. If she was capable of doing her work for the flexibility in return, who cares? These offices just want people to come in -even if their jobs don't dictate the need- just b/c they can. No matter how miserable it is for their workers.
Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 13:32     Subject: RTO Rant
Anonymous wrote:In my case pre-covid they was zero work from home and very strict on work hours. Being late or leaving early could get you in trouble.

As a result many people lived near the office. Literally I have three people near me who live less than 3 miles away.

We went to three day a week at home and even people who live walking distance take them.

They just like not coming to work, I will leave it at that.


So what? I don't like going into the office, either. Am I required to in order to prove by abilities? One thing has nothing to do with the other.
Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 11:50     Subject: RTO Rant
I'm full time remote right now, I'd jump at returning to the office if the money was right.
Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 11:32     Subject: RTO Rant
To be honest. Any company 90 percent of workers sit in "cubes" and shoot out product. Worker Bees. And only 1-3 percent of company are in the Senior Management team with Perks. Everyone cant be a SVP or higher.

The downside of remote is it raised expectations once laid off. An old coworker at a very high paid job that went fully remote in 2020 just got laid off.

I spoke to them and I got yes looking I want fully remote, if in person only hybrid and at most 2 days a week in person. Plus I want a short commute.

She then added I want my old salary at least and flexibility for kids appointments and home repairs, dentist appointments during work hours.

She had all that company that laid her off. She also was making $200,000.

She may get it, but when unemployed that is a big list of demands and salary
Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 10:50     Subject: RTO Rant
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That happened at my spouse's job. We think they did it on purpose to get the numbers down.


This is, in fact, a deliberate strategy. It's a good way to encourage the loafers to go on their way.

Except the people who can find other jobs and therefore leave are the high performers.


Not always.

My spouse is a high performer and wants to leave after 5+ years not because of layoffs but for other reasons (toxic and chaotic workplace in last couple years). Has been promoted 4x in that time frame.

Applied for only roles they would actually take and have had interviews but it can be rough out there and they haven’t got anything yet. Told many roles get thousands of applications now and they aren’t even looking at fully remote jobs either!

I agree with the commenter who said not all people want to hire superstars. This is very common. It’s rare to have a manager who wants to mentor you and have you be a thought partner.

Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 10:28     Subject: RTO Rant
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That happened at my spouse's job. We think they did it on purpose to get the numbers down.


This is, in fact, a deliberate strategy. It's a good way to encourage the loafers to go on their way.

Except the people who can find other jobs and therefore leave are the high performers.


Correct, although that's a plus for companies that don't want to pay high performers, or bosses who are threatened by them.
It's a myth that every company wants to grow and excel: plenty of companies prefer mediocre work from cheaper employees who don't have other options.
Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 10:24     Subject: RTO Rant
Looking at LInkedIn true fully remote job postings for high paying jobs at good companies usually get 1,000 to 2,000 applications.

My prior full remote company that is a so so company I recall got 500 applicants per job opening.

At my current role we have some jobs that must be in person no flexibility. Guess what we only get 3-7 applicants sometimes.

Lot easier to beat out 3-7 people for a job than 500-1000 people.

Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 10:18     Subject: RTO Rant
In my case pre-covid they was zero work from home and very strict on work hours. Being late or leaving early could get you in trouble.

As a result many people lived near the office. Literally I have three people near me who live less than 3 miles away.

We went to three day a week at home and even people who live walking distance take them.

They just like not coming to work, I will leave it at that.
Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 10:03     Subject: RTO Rant
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That happened at my spouse's job. We think they did it on purpose to get the numbers down.


This is, in fact, a deliberate strategy. It's a good way to encourage the loafers to go on their way.

Except the people who can find other jobs and therefore leave are the high performers.
Anonymous
Post 08/08/2024 09:59     Subject: RTO Rant
Anonymous wrote:That happened at my spouse's job. We think they did it on purpose to get the numbers down.


This is, in fact, a deliberate strategy. It's a good way to encourage the loafers to go on their way.