Anonymous wrote:Wootton! Churchill has higher HHI but lower test scores, but people keep repeating that it's the better school. What's up with that?

I think you answered your own question. Many people here think HHI matters more than anything else.

Wootton! Churchill has higher HHI but lower test scores, but people keep repeating that it's the better school. What's up with that?

Clarksburg.

Basically MC and UMC families. And kids who are excelling at school. Mainly ORM students.


ORM = Over Represented Minorities.

I’ll be more direct. My kid goes to one of the schools discussed here. He loves it and is thriving. He will be the first to tell you that there are also lots of dumbass hooligan kids there. He doesn’t care about them and they don’t care about him. He has a huge group of friends who are not dumbass hooligans. This would explain why surveys would show his school is not as perfect, and nonetheless he is thriving, and thus the school is “underrated.”

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Anonymous wrote:Student and teacher school ratings are in conflict with some of the schools listed here, e.g. Blake, Einstein

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

Relatively small percentages of people participated in these surveys. That doesn't invalidate the responses of those who did participate, but it's important context.

Also: I think of underrated as an opinion held by people who have little to no direct experience with the school. Not those within it.

And yet systematically, both students and teachers rate lower income schools worse than wealthy schools.

You're insinuating this might be nonresponse bias. I think the answer is much simpler. MCPS is not doing as good of a job in low income schools as it is in high income schools. The low income schools do not have the resources they need to serve their students. And no, it's not that the students don't value education. Across the board 95%+ of student respondents agree it is important to them to do well in school.

Let me spell it out for you. Low response rates to surveys undermine the ability to draw meaningful conclusions from those responses. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

Moreover, you're giving too much power to MCPS. Kids in "high income" schools are far more likely to receive extra resources *outside* of school - tutoring, college application coaching, test prep, etc. Schools are not responsible for every outcome. I agree that MCPS could use more resources, but you're ignoring the larger context in which these students live and learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Student and teacher school ratings are in conflict with some of the schools listed here, e.g. Blake, Einstein

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

OP did ask about underrated clusters.

Fair enough.

Let's say these schools are indeed "underrated" (definition: underestimated or undervalued) - meaning they are better than the teachers and students who are in the schools think they are. Let's set aside our skepticism that is true. That would be awful if teachers and students were being told their schools were bad when they were in fact good. That by itself can lower student performance (look it up).

Underrated in this context likely means the schools are better than the general population or in this case DCUM believes them to be. Ideally supporting the idea that the same type of student could do well there or anywhere in the county. The climate survey data is one method of evaluating these schools. And while that data may not always be sunshine and rainbows it’s the positive things that are there which can be built upon or the opportunities there that not everyone may be taken advantage of that make the school underrated. Otherwise everything would be wonderful, right.

Anonymous wrote:Magruder and Rockville. Both are smaller schools with older neighborhoods. Good housing to be found, nice communities.

Agree with these. Rockville even has a local IB program(me).

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Anonymous wrote:OP: What are some underrated schools?
PP: Please limit your answers to highly rated and/or wealthy schools.

Underrated doesn't mean schools that are rated poorly by staff and students with actual experience in the school.

Using those climate surveys as a litmus test for which schools can or cannot be discussed here is ridiculous.

I'm not stopping anyone from discussing any schools. I'm saying this is what actual students and teachers think of some of these so-called "underrated" schools.

Fwiw I do think there are positive aspects of the survey results for many schools but let's be real. A lot of these kids deserve better and they want better.

OK? Feel free to start a thread about the survey results.

It's really telling you want to discuss "underrated schools" but can't handle people posting actual information about students' and teachers' experiences at those allegedly underrated schools.

It's a non sequitur. OP asked a simple question. Your repeated hijackings don't answer it.

It's ridiculous to call it hijacking. What is hijacking is trying to dismiss information about the schools mentioned as coming from "obnoxious teenagers"

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Anonymous wrote:OP: What are some underrated schools?
PP: Please limit your answers to highly rated and/or wealthy schools.

Underrated doesn't mean schools that are rated poorly by staff and students with actual experience in the school.

Using those climate surveys as a litmus test for which schools can or cannot be discussed here is ridiculous.

I'm not stopping anyone from discussing any schools. I'm saying this is what actual students and teachers think of some of these so-called "underrated" schools.

Fwiw I do think there are positive aspects of the survey results for many schools but let's be real. A lot of these kids deserve better and they want better.

OK? Feel free to start a thread about the survey results.

It's really telling you want to discuss "underrated schools" but can't handle people posting actual information about students' and teachers' experiences at those allegedly underrated schools.

It's a non sequitur. OP asked a simple question. Your repeated hijackings don't answer it.

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Anonymous wrote:OP: What are some underrated schools?
PP: Please limit your answers to highly rated and/or wealthy schools.

Underrated doesn't mean schools that are rated poorly by staff and students with actual experience in the school.

Using those climate surveys as a litmus test for which schools can or cannot be discussed here is ridiculous.

I'm not stopping anyone from discussing any schools. I'm saying this is what actual students and teachers think of some of these so-called "underrated" schools.

Fwiw I do think there are positive aspects of the survey results for many schools but let's be real. A lot of these kids deserve better and they want better.

OK? Feel free to start a thread about the survey results.

It's really telling you want to discuss "underrated schools" but can't handle people posting actual information about students' and teachers' experiences at those allegedly underrated schools.

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Anonymous wrote:OP: What are some underrated schools?
PP: Please limit your answers to highly rated and/or wealthy schools.

Underrated doesn't mean schools that are rated poorly by staff and students with actual experience in the school.

Using those climate surveys as a litmus test for which schools can or cannot be discussed here is ridiculous.

I'm not stopping anyone from discussing any schools. I'm saying this is what actual students and teachers think of some of these so-called "underrated" schools.

Fwiw I do think there are positive aspects of the survey results for many schools but let's be real. A lot of these kids deserve better and they want better.

OK? Feel free to start a thread about the survey results.

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Anonymous wrote:OP: What are some underrated schools?
PP: Please limit your answers to highly rated and/or wealthy schools.

Underrated doesn't mean schools that are rated poorly by staff and students with actual experience in the school.

Using those climate surveys as a litmus test for which schools can or cannot be discussed here is ridiculous.

I'm not stopping anyone from discussing any schools. I'm saying this is what actual students and teachers think of some of these so-called "underrated" schools.

Fwiw I do think there are positive aspects of the survey results for many schools but let's be real. A lot of these kids deserve better and they want better.

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Anonymous wrote:OP: What are some underrated schools?
PP: Please limit your answers to highly rated and/or wealthy schools.

Underrated doesn't mean schools that are rated poorly by staff and students with actual experience in the school.

Using those climate surveys as a litmus test for which schools can or cannot be discussed here is ridiculous.

Anonymous wrote:OP: What are some underrated schools?
PP: Please limit your answers to highly rated and/or wealthy schools.

Underrated doesn't mean schools that are rated poorly by staff and students with actual experience in the school.

OP: What are some underrated schools?
PP: Please limit your answers to highly rated and/or wealthy schools.