Soccer hooligans are a real thing. That is why English fans are not welcome in Europe.

How long til trump campaign turns this into a talking point ?

Anonymous wrote:This definitely makes me question my enthusiasm for attending world cup games. I certainly wont go to miami... do we think philly will be any better?

Yes!? First of all it's the World Cup and do you not think Philly has some experience with crazy fans?

This definitely makes me question my enthusiasm for attending world cup games. I certainly wont go to miami... do we think philly will be any better?

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Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of blame to go around for the US based venue, local security and organizers.

Here's a thought, how about a little bit of the blame toward the fans that attacked the families and attacked police/security to get into the final without tickets?

Here's an interesting angle:

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2024/07/it-is-obviously-americas-fault-that-fans-broke-into-hard-rock-stadium-and-crawled-through-the-ventilation-system.html

"Remember, personal responsibility never comes into play. It’s always someone else’s fault! Imagine if we sent 10,000 American soccer fans to Medellin and stormed the gates and tore their stadium apart and then blamed Colombia for it. “You weren’t prepared for how crazy we are!” Sounds ridiculous, right? Because it is."

I think that's correct. It would be open season on the USMNT fans. Arrests, the US ambassador would be called in, basically a major diplomatic incident with the U.N. possibly getting involved lol.

We simply cannot hold ourselves or other citizens responsible. It is always institutions, leaders, corporations that are "broken" or "failing us," even, laughably, as we behave the way we do (with no effort, self-disclipline or introspection) and break everything in sight. But I don't remember any good old days when everything was going along perfectly and without a hitch. A lot of younger people apparently grew up in worlds I have never seen.

The venue did what it could in light of obviously insane behavior by fanatical people who did not behave themselves. We would have had another Hillsborough or Who Concert had they not opened the gates. Perhaps one adjustment for the World Cup will be requiring people to be at the stadium and seated one hour before the game. I have never seen that kind of requirement for anything, including NFL playoff games, major NCAA tourney games, or the Rose Bowl. But I suppose you need to anticipate the audiences, which look absolutely unhinged.

Anonymous wrote:PP here, not putting any group on a pedestal here. It is really the gaping, double-standard that is fascinating to me.

In some strange, alternate reality where the fortunes of the Colombia national team and the USMNT were reversed and the Copa final was being played in Medellin, then YES I could see the possibility of energized (and inebriated) USMNT fans behaving poorly.

This quote is awesome. Yes, hypothetically speaking, 60% of the fans the the Medellin stadium would be USA fans, who would then also over run the physical security of the stadium to storm the event and cause havoc. lol I cant see it.

Anonymous wrote:Yeah I know it kills some of you do acknowledge this but 10,000 Colombian soccer fans in Miami are probaly american citizens or residents so no where near the same thing if it happened in Medellin

They are Columbians not Americans culturally.

This will all be taken care of once the lawsuit start flying. The lawsuits be paid by insurance companies who will force changes for the World Cup.

Remember this CONMEBOL. They did not separate fans, protect player families, pay for security or coordinate with local police.

Yeah I know it kills some of you do acknowledge this but 10,000 Colombian soccer fans in Miami are probaly american citizens or residents so no where near the same thing if it happened in Medellin

PP here, not putting any group on a pedestal here. It is really the gaping, double-standard that is fascinating to me.

In some strange, alternate reality where the fortunes of the Colombia national team and the USMNT were reversed and the Copa final was being played in Medellin, then YES I could see the possibility of energized (and inebriated) USMNT fans behaving poorly.

Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of blame to go around for the US based venue, local security and organizers.

Here's a thought, how about a little bit of the blame toward the fans that attacked the families and attacked police/security to get into the final without tickets?

Here's an interesting angle:

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2024/07/it-is-obviously-americas-fault-that-fans-broke-into-hard-rock-stadium-and-crawled-through-the-ventilation-system.html

"Remember, personal responsibility never comes into play. It’s always someone else’s fault! Imagine if we sent 10,000 American soccer fans to Medellin and stormed the gates and tore their stadium apart and then blamed Colombia for it. “You weren’t prepared for how crazy we are!” Sounds ridiculous, right? Because it is."

I think that's correct. It would be open season on the USMNT fans. Arrests, the US ambassador would be called in, basically a major diplomatic incident with the U.N. possibly getting involved lol.

Of course it has LMAO!

get your head out of your white privliged bubble and focus on your DC getting more touches against the wall

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

French authorities and Uefa blamed late arrivals and fraudulent tickets for chaotic scenes outside the Stade de France before Saturday's Champions League final between Liverpool and Real Madrid. But Liverpool fans who spoke to the BBC described organisational failures, overcrowding and heavy-handed policing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61633840

Oh no! Look the same thing happened in Europe. Surely they will never be allowed to host a soccer game again!

In Miami they were scaling walls, climbing into vents, attacking other patrons, and beating police. It was next level.
I was scared that it was going to turn into Queretero-Atlas.
If you known nothing of the Queretero-Atl riots and death toll, I suggest you watch those videos. This is not American History X level killings.

They did the same thing in France. Ask me how I know.

People were murdered? Bludgeoned to death with metal pipes? Where did that happen?
Not sure what you mean by same thing becuase I'm pretty sure that what happened in Mexico at Queretero-Atlas has never happened in Europe.

Anonymous wrote:Security and logistics was organized by CONMEBOL, not FIFA. The blame falls on them. They're not used to this big stuff.

That same stadium hosts all other kinds of events without issue. It will be a World Cup stadium, but that's run by FIFA (thankfully) and not CONMEBOL. FIFA knows how to manage this (Ok, they're also massively corrupt but that's a different story).

Local police and security were tasked with handling crowds. Hard Rock venue is also in charge of security, crowd control and concessions. The people putting the blame solely on Conmebol fail to realize that this was a joint effort. There is plenty of blame to go around for the US based venue, local security and organizers.

They failed to realize that these crowds are not the same people that attend Taylor Swift concerts or Dolphin games. They have a lot of preparations ahead of the WC26 because this tournament was a disaster

Security and logistics was organized by CONMEBOL, not FIFA. The blame falls on them. They're not used to this big stuff.

That same stadium hosts all other kinds of events without issue. It will be a World Cup stadium, but that's run by FIFA (thankfully) and not CONMEBOL. FIFA knows how to manage this (Ok, they're also massively corrupt but that's a different story).